Hi Roger, Privacy? What's that?
Privacy: The quality or condition of being secluded from the presence or view of others. The state of being free from unsanctioned intrusion: a person's right to privacy. The state of being concealed; secrecy. Anyone recognize this next paragraph? The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized. This thread started about spyware and it's unwelcome intrusion in our lives. In my opinion a program is spyware if you did not give it permission to send information about you to the mother ship. Some of us use programs to eliminate spyware and tracking cookies etc. I do, and I shred all personal information credit card statements and etc. So I really do care about privacy, don't be too quick to give up our forth amendment rights they cost too much to gain. The problem as I see it is that often, we unknowingly give away our right to privacy. Who among us would think that it's anyone's business knowing so much about what we do, or say, even what we buy, just because we write a check, install a piece of software or used a credit card. In my opinion this does not give them the right to data base my personal information and use that for any purpose without my consent. I think I will stop here this subject is getting off topic for this list. t0m ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 2:58 PM Subject: Re: PCWorks: OMG - Big brother is watching.. YIKES > Hahahah, right on Mike! > > Also, remember that if you have a cordless phone, anyone with a scanner > round the hood can listen in on your conversations as well. The Wi-Fi > nets are ripe for plucking too. > > I just assume that anything I say or do electronically is being heard by > a bunch of folk, not to mention the current vogue for public cameras and > cell phone video technology. > > Privacy? What's that? > > Roger > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michael Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 12:08 PM > Subject: Re: PCWorks: OMG - Big brother is watching.. YIKES > > > > Another take on this thread. First, an acquaintance many years ago who > had > > some government connections, insisted that the NATSB or some such had > > obtained clearance to have super computers monitoring EVERY telephone > > conversation in America and flagging and recording conversations that > had > > certain keywords in them, so later analysis could be done. I now have > grave > > doubts because if that had been true, it is unlikely the Oklahoma City > > bombing could have been pulled off. > > > > Second, I don't care. I have my own revenge for anyone who is > listening into > > my fone conversations or reading my email or following my web surfing. > I > > deliberately work at boring them to death. > > > > Think of the logistics. over 240,000,000 people (I don't know the > latest > > census count) in America talking and mailing and using the Internet. > How > > many of those people would it take working full time to make any > > comprehensive compilation of all that data? What they are able to > deduce > > from spybots and so forth is annoying to us, but not all that > intrusive. > > Obviously some search machines are able to pick up certain phrases and > zero > > in on them. It is the cost of living in a high tech society. > > > > On the other hand, the people around you probably know far more about > you > > (much of it misinformation) than you can imagine. And it has little to > do > > with sales tracking and fone tapping. It has always been that way, and > > always will be. Privacy is more of a mutual illusion than a reality. > Our > > society goes to great pains to pretend we know less about each other > than we > > really do. > > > > The healthy thing to do is live your life. You will be OK, and while > all > > this snooping is going on, perhaps some terrorist will be caught. > Perhaps > > even some misinformation about you will be corrected without you even > > knowing. It is not all bad. > > > > Mike > > > > > Subject: Re: PCWorks: OMG - Big brother is watching.. YIKES > > > > > > > > > Hi Tom. . > > > Never thought of it in those terms.. Thanks.. > > > So, do we 'stop writing'.. do we 'look over our shoulders'.. It's > crazy.. > > I > > > know.. but this letter from this guy come out of the blue.. and it > really > > > upset me to think that I made a post. saying something, which I > "knew to > > be > > > true". from other sources, Tech Lists.. etc.. and he wrote to me > > directly. > > > > > > Hey, just realized, he can probably access the list- archives > again.. > > UGH.. > > > Okay, I'm not going to write anything, except Have a good day.. > etc.. from > > > now to eternity.. Okay, I know I'm being silly.. but it does upset > me. to > > > think that "big brother is watching". and you can bet from now > on..I"ll > > send > > > someone else to buy my brand of toilet paper.<SMILE> Only kidding > of > > > course. > > > > > > I guess it's the same, with phone lines, cause I"ve been on a > cordless > > > phone, and have been talking to a friend, and my friend and I have > heard > > > every word. another person is saying.(crossed line). so we hang up.. > So, I > > > know it can happen, where people can hear your conversation.. but > hadn't > > > realized, (though, I should have).. that ANYONE at all can access > anything > > > we write.. UGH. > > > > > > Anyway, Thanks.. I guess it was a lesson for all to learn.. Be > careful > > what > > > we write.. > > > > > > Helene ============= PCWorks Mailing List ================= Don't see your post? 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