I think you make a good point about a contest making people nervous.
Any form of "test" seems to do that, and any contest is a form of test.

Personally, I think of PAW and PESO differently than I do the PUG.
The PUG seems more of an photo "exhibit" and the others more of a request
for comment/suggestion.
It might help if this thinking (or whatever the general consensus is)was
helped along by PDML
members interested in reviving the PUG.
Perhaps it would make the PUG stand out a little more and draw more
attention to it.

OTOH if a little competition *WAS* wanted an anonymous vote could be taken
each month and the winner
would have his entry featured in the next months PUG as "Most popular pic of
last month".
The only real rule being that one person could only win that place once or
twice per year.

Another point to ponder is that I knew about the PUG long prior to joining
PDML from seeing it on Boz's site.
However, I tend to forget all about it until I see it mentioned in this
list.
Perhaps others forget or don't know of it, maybe a regular post to this list
once a week or so would keep attention a little more focused on the PUG.

Just my 1.5 cents worth. (Inflation you know)

Don



> -----Original Message-----
> From: frank theriault [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 4:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: PUG vs PAW
>
>
> --- Antonio Aparicio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >
> Hi Bruce, had you thought of perhaps approaching
> > Pentax and asking them
> > if they would be willing to support the PUG b way of
> > some freebies each
> > year to the best image or images voted on by PDML
> > members? May be a way
> > to drum up a bit of interest and let Pentax have a
> > showcase for some of
> > the excellent stuff you can do with their kit? Just
> > an idea.
> >
>
> Way back when, Pentax used to own (or at least run)
> PDML.  As I understand it, they got out of it due to
> legal advice, and Doug the List Guy took over things,
> so PDML could live.
>
> Since PUG is an offshoot of PDML, I doubt that Pentax
> would want to get involved, due to their reluctance to
> do so with the list-at-large.
>
> Not saying that your idea isn't worth discussing, just
> giving you a bit of background that may be relelvent.
>
> As far as the "prize" aspect goes, last time it was
> brought up and discussed, I believe a prevailing theme
> was that PUG isn't a contest, and most didn't want it
> to become one.  It might be seen as a disincentive to
> post, by some, if they felt the pressure of a contest,
> or, to put another spin on it, some might feel envious
> if the same people kept winning over and over.  Not to
> mention that hard feelings might arise if it was felt
> that there was a "politicization" of PUG ("They never
> vote for me just because my photos are fuzzy!
> Wahhhh!") <vbg>
>
> Again, I'm not trying to squelch discussion on this.
> Just because it's been discussed in the past doesn't
> mean it can't be now:  membership evolves, and so may
> opinions.  Just giving a bit of background to put
> things into perspective.
>
> cheers,
> frank
>
> =====
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> The pessimist fears it is true."  -J. Robert Oppenheimer
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