I, for one, think that's an excellent compromise.
I actually couldn't understand those who said that doing the critiques seemed
"too much like homework". If so, take your name off the list of
commentators. Why use that as a reason to shut down the whole idea?
My guess is that most of those who have commented to date will continue to do
so, and that most who contribute images to PUG will request comments. I know
that I intend to be in both camps, assuming that you get enough support for
your new idea. I find personal value in both commenting, and being commented
upon.
Seems to me that no one gets hurt this way. Thin skin? Only want to submit a
family snapshot that you don't want commented upon? That works. Want
criticism? That works too.
I like it Chris. Count me in.
regards,
frank
Chris Brogden wrote:
> Well, this certainly seems to be one of the more controversial topics
> lately. I decided to stop the assigned comments for every PUG entry for
> one reason, and this is it: the PUG is apparently a forum for displaying
> photos, not for critiquing them, and so commenting on every photo turns
> the PUG into a critiqued gallery. Although the critique was taking place
> on the PDML (which is a separate entity from the PUG, as Bill pointed
> out), it was still making some people uncomfortable. They were bothered
> by the fact that shots which they just wanted to share with people were
> being judged or criticized openly in the group, and I can understand their
> annoyance. The PUG isn't necessarily about posting your best photo with
> the intent of having it analyzed publically; it can be more about just
> sharing a photo that means something to you. Anyway, since the PUG is not
> meant to be a critiqued gallery, I agree with the idea of not commenting
> on every photo.
>
> I originally suggested the idea of going back to the way it was before,
> where we commented on a photo or two if it caught our eye, and if we
> wanted comments on our photo we could just ask the PDML. However, since
> so many people have said that they find the comments useful and don't want
> them to stop, the list might get bogged down in comment requests. It
> would be nice if we could find a compromise. Here's one that's a mixture
> of my ideas and other people's suggestions; let me know what you think:
>
> We'll still have commentators to talk about photos, but only for the
> photographers each month who specifically request comments. I don't mind
> coordinating this, so we could give it a try and see how it goes. Since
> the PUG is not intended to be a critiqued gallery, send your request for
> comments to me, not Bill or the PUG. If you ask for comments in the
> letter you send to the PUGmeisters, it ain't gonna happen. All you have
> to do is send a letter to me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying "My name is _____ and I want to have my
> photo commented on for the June PUG" or something like that, and it'll be
> done. You'll have to do this each month when you submit your photo, as
> there could be some months when you're showing an image that, for whatever
> reason, you don't want comments on. This method works best if there is a
> relatively large number of people who want their photos commented on. If
> only a handful of people each month request comments, then there's no
> point in my coordinating it and they might as well post their requests
> directly to the PDML. But at least for the next couple of months try
> mailing me directly if you want, and we'll see how it works and what kind
> of response we get.
>
> For the commentators: are you still interested in doing this? Since
> you're commenting on assigned photos, you're likely having to talk about
> photos that you may not be interested in, and it may feel like school work
> or like something that you do because you have to, not because you want
> to. If you feel like this (and it's a perfectly understandable way to
> feel), just drop me a note off-list and I'll take you off the commentators
> list. That way you can choose to talk about the photos which interest you
> and about which you feel you have something meaningful to say, at your
> discretion. If it feels more like homework than fun, why do it? <g>
>
> This should hopefully address most of the objections that were
> raised. The default for photos submitted to the PUG will be "no
> comments", and you'll have to mail me directly *each month* if you want
> the commentators to talk about your shot. (Or you could wait and see if
> anyone on the list comments indivdually, of course.) I hope this is
> satisfactory to those people who are hesitant to submit photos because of
> the comments, or who don't see the PUG as a critiqued site. As for the
> tone of the comments, use your own discretion. Try to point out what you
> like along with what you don't, and feel confident that if you do say
> something that pisses people off you'll never hear the end of it, right
> Shel? *L* Remember to have fun. Because I'm trying to just coordinate
> this thing and not dominate it, I want to keep it as simple as possible,
> which means no panels to review comments before they're posted to the list
> or any similar idea. I trust the commentators to write in a style that
> they feel comfortable with, and like I said if it's too far off I'm sure
> they'll hear about it. <g>
>
> Any thoughts on this?
>
> chris
>
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