Cant you see I was only posting my experience IN RESPONSE to a previous poster's rude comment stating I was just foolish and lacked experience to make the comments I made earler? Its not a chip on you shoulder to defend oneself against rude unfounded personal attacks. I think you need to read what caused my response a little more carefully before you make those kind of remarks about my posts or me personally. Context is everything.
jco -----Original Message----- From: John Forbes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2005 5:42 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm And the rest of the world has more than had it with your crap. You've said your piece, ad nauseam. Now please belt up and get on with life. You have a bigger chip on your shoulder than Herb Chong, and that's saying something. John On Sun, 18 Sep 2005 05:11:13 +0100, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have about had it with this insulting "dreamworld" crap. I use > everything > from > old RF cameras like canon QL17s making my settings totally manual by > experience only > to LARGE FORMAT CAMERAS like 4x5 and 8x10 with zone spotmetering which > are > about as manual as you can > get to P&S cameras like ME Supers and AF digitals etc. I have done > action, > still lifes, landscapes, > etc, etc. I use primes, I use zooms. I KNOW what AE is, I don't use it > much > but > when I want it, I want it. I KNOW the difference between open apeture > metering and what it > means in low light. You apparently don't. Just because you & a few of > your > friends are > shooting with K.M on a digital with good results doesn't mean it doesn't > matter > that the k/M lenses are cripped with regards to AE and open apeture > metering > because > they are and it CAN make a difference to real world photographers in some > real situations. > If open aperture metering and AE didn't matter then it wouldn't have been > developed > and become the world standard 30 years ago. Just because someone uses > manual > apeture > mode most of the time doesn't mean he doesn't want or need open aperture > metering some of the time. Your logic is very flawed. I don't need to buy > something to critique it. As far as the "process" goes I do it A LOT > already. > Its called stop down metered manual, duh? So I don't think you have any > right to say that > because I don't buy XYZ camera, I don't know what it is or the process > because I do. > Metered stop down manual is NOT open aperture metered manual or open > apeture > AE. > I am not saying metered stop down manual is invalid or sucks or isnt > useful, > but its quite > different from open apeture AE which is a far more automated when > automatation > is desired or NEEDED. Ditto for OPEN APERTURE metering, its far better in > low > light because it can make the difference of whether you get a reading > all or > not. > jco > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Shel Belinkoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 10:28 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Pentax K 2.5/200mm > > > I should probably just butt out, but I'm gonna butt in ... > > I'm just getting started using K and M lenses on the DS, which, as I > understand, is quite similar to the D in the way it uses earlier lenses. > Right now I'm finding it a bit cumbersome and difficult, but that's > generally the case regardless of whatever new thing it is I try. So I > can > understand JCO's complaint. But, when long-time photogs like Paul and > Bruce > and Godfrey and Juan and some others say it's a no-brainer, I've gotta > lend > some credence to their comments. > > The thing is, JCO, is that you bring this issue up frequently yet have > never > tried the procedure, so your comments are more abstract than reality > based. > Paul and others use the "green button" and they have done some good work > using the older lenses. Their's is a reality that essentially shows the > concept works simply and well. > > Perhaps an advantage I have over you is that I know some of these folks > personally. We've gone shooting together, shared time together, and I > know > their work, so it is, and always has been, easier for me to accept that > what > they say is quite valid. > > JCO, I'd say that it's time you just put this issue aside - give it a > rest > here on the list. Either get a DSLR and try the green button approach, > and > then speak with experience and authority, or just let the rest of the > "fools" go about deluding themselves with the knowledge that you know > best > about such matters. > > And now it's time for a big bowl of hot and sour soup .... yummmm! > > Shel > > >> [Original Message] >> From: Paul Stenquist > >> Of course I haven't forgotten. I use FA and A lenses as well. But as >> many have said here so many times, the green button quickly becomes an >> automatic. It provides quite adequate backward compatibility. The >> loudest objections have usually come from those who haven't tried it. > > >> On Sep 17, 2005, at 9:48 PM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: >> >> > I don't want to start up again but you DON'T have to do >> > that step over and over and over and over and over >> > and over and over with fully supported K/M lenses. >> > AE is about 30 years old, have you already forgot >> > what it its like to NOT have to DO that "little" step?? >> > Just because YOU don't mind doesn't mean these lenses >> > are fully supported, they WERE with nearly all the K film bodies..... > > > > > > > -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.1/104 - Release Date: 16/09/2005
