I tend to agree, as to buy something less expensive as he's a
little forgetful at times. The last thing I bought him was a
B&H clarinet and he lost that (395 UK Pounds). 

I have been using a Ricoh KR-10 and Motor Drive for a few months
now, and I really like the feel of it,(and the results). 

I may go for the Sears KS Super and the KR-5/KR-5 Super, to expand
my own collection.  As to a manual camera 'No Problemo', as I
have the SPF with the faulty meter.

I have 2 Spotmatic SPF's, 1 SP and the Ricoh KR-10 + 35-70mm
Macro Zoom, Plus a screw mount-K adaptor and a stack of Pentax
screw lenses.

James

>--- Original Message ---
>From: martin tammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 7/31/01 5:11:02 AM
>

>For what it's worth, I got my son a KR-5 Super on eBay for $60,
complete
>with a 35-70 zoom, filter and a camera bag. He's happy and I'm
happy because
>the Beaver tends to me a tad rough with stuff, so if something
happens to
>it, I'm only out $60. When we're together, I loan him my pentax
lenses.
>Frankly, the Ricoh is a neat little camera for the price.
>--- Cotty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Get him the K-1000! It's nothing to do with what you want;
it's 
>> everything to do with teaching youngsters the principles of
photography. 
>> If you get him an automatic-this, automatic-that camera, what
will he 
>> learn? How to compose an image? And what else?
>> 
>> My son will be in a similar situation soon and I am contemplating
getting 
>> him a camera with no light meter in it at all. It's only after
learning 
>> what it's all about and exploring the image-making with very
basic 
>> equipment that the appreciation is experienced. Before he
was allowed to 
>> use an electronic calculator, he had to prove that he could
do the sums 
>> in his head, and on paper. He *earned* the calculator. Now,
he has 
>> *earned* a PowerBook as well. He is learning (and earning)
all the time, 
>> and he's having fun on the way.
>> 
>> Hell, most of us remember our first cameras - whether they
were ours, the 
>> school's, or whatever. If I was quick, I would get the Spottie
with the 
>> sello-taped film door, if not, I was landed with a Zenit,
and boy did 
>> they chew up film sprockets. I eventually saved for a Practica,
then a 
>> Fujica 605, and finally the MX. Interestingly, I had an ME
Super once, 
>> but found I was using the MX more, so sold it. I'm still fully
manual, 
>> and love it.
>> 
>> Not to say I'm a luddite - I am chomping at the bit for a
MZ-D (MZ-S 
>> digital) - can't wait. But this is because I know how to calculate

>> exposure, depth of field, etc, and how to develop and print.
I learned 
>> from the very basics, and I would heartily recommend it to
anyone with 
>> children starting out in picture-taking.
>> 
>> Only one thing I would change : instead of the K-1000, at
least get him a 
>> *decent* manual camera: an MX of course ;-)
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Cotty 
>>  
>> >> I am looking to buy  a Pentax K-mount camera as a first
time camera my
>> Son.
>> >> There are quite a few K1000's, a Ricoh KR-5, KR-5 Super,
XR7(body) and
>> >> Sears(Ricoh)KS Super, and a Kalimar SLR K-90.
>> >> 
>> >> Which to choose?
>> 
>> >Unless your son specifically requested a fully manual camera,
why would 
>> >you do this to
>> >someone you love?
>> >
>> >I spent 4yrs in the Photography/Graphic Arts labs of my local
college... 
>> >back in the early
>> >80's & no one, but no one really wanted the fully manual
cameras their 
>> >parents bought back
>> [snip]
>> 
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