Sorry, I used to be one of those environmentalists, the disillusioned idealists are harder on the movement than those who never cared. I used to care. Now I'm just pissed off.
AlunFoto wrote: > Peter, > > When you can get _that_ agitated by a mild word "hoax", said in jest, > and go on to call everyone what you do, it doesn't lend much > credibility to your arguments. > > "Holy crusaders of mother Gaia"... Sorry, Peter. Calm down. > > Best, > Jostein > > 2008/1/29, P. J. Alling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> Their solutions are not necessarily correct either.. I should know >> better than give an inch in this debate. The holy crusaders of mother >> Gaia don't seem to take human suffering, except for their own, and >> sometimes not even that, into account. If the suffering is far enough >> away, or doesn't conform to their political argument, then it's >> unimportant or strangely not happening. The people living in poverty in >> far off lands "want" to live that way, and it's "better for them" anyway >> to retain their quaint customs instead of adopting the same comforts of >> "so called civilization", (I'm using words here that I've heard all too >> often from so called environmentalists in quotes), that the >> environmentalists, most of them safely protected from any real nature >> enjoy. After all if the regulations that are necessary to "Save the >> Planet", cause a factory to close, or not be built in the first place, >> and a relatively poor person to lose their job or never get a better >> one, and go to bed a little hungry, maybe live a shorter more brutish >> life with few amenities, it was the businesses fault for not building >> or closing that factory, or the systems fault for not "incentiveizing" >> some kind of work for the nether regions or the world or capitalisms >> fault because it's so rapacious, never the regulators or the >> environmentalists. They almost never discuss costs vs benefits except >> to dismiss them, or dismiss those who try to take them into account. >> >> AlunFoto wrote: >> >>> P.J. Alling wrote: >>> >>> >>>> I hate this use of the word Hoax. A hoax doesn't harm people, except >>>> maybe the pride of the gullible. If the global warming fanatics are >>>> wrong, then many people will be harmed by their actions. If they're >>>> right then serious actions should be taken, though not unnecessarily the >>>> ones they propose . Either way the debate isn't helped by the use of >>>> improper terms. >>>> >>>> >>> "Fanatics" are the ones who drive this debate to where most of us have >>> to take a stance. But using it as a label for the other group doesn't >>> help the debate much either. :-) >>> >>> Love yer sentence ".. though not _un_necessarily the ones they propose". >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Jostein >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. >> A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. >> When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world >> -- Anonymous >> >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> [email protected] >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. >> >> > > > -- I am personally a member of the Cream of the Illuminati. A union with the Bavarian Illuminati is contemplated. When it is complete the Bavarian Cream Illuminati will rule the world -- Anonymous -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
