Canon has no wides which can compete with either the A or FA 20/2.8's or the DA 21 Limited, no good 28mm design (both the 28/2.8 and 28/1.8 USM's are mediocre to bad), their 50's other than the extremely expensive 50 f1.2L are average at best (and the Canon 50mm f1.4 USM is both nearly twice the cost as the FA 50mm f1.4 and twice the size) and Canon offers no decent quality consumer normal zoom for digital (Pentax offers the excellent 16-45, Canon's 17-85 IS's only real advantage over the kit 18-55 is range and IS, their new IS 18-55 kit lens is optically better). Canon offers some superb lenses, but they're very weak on wides in particular. Pentax offers far less lenses, but also offers effectively no poor performers. Even Pentax's two kit lenses are notably better than average.
Outside of the L series, Canon only offers a few good lenses. -Adam On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 6:14 PM, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > YES BUT WITH PENTAX YOU HAVE TO WAIT YEARS > FOR THEM TO CATCH UP AND I DONT THINK > CANON IS SHORT OF ANY GOOD LENSES COMPARED TO > PENTAX, THEY HAVE TONS OF NICE LENSES. > JC > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adam > Maas > > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 5:07 PM > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo > > > Well, unless you want a small, weather sealed body, small high-quality > primes or fast stabilized lenses, or those wonderful manual focus lenses you > love so much. I've shot with Canon, Nikon and Pentax DSLR's. The Canon's > were my least favourite. I'd much rather shoot Pentax than Canon. > > -Adam > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 4:51 PM, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I dont see why anyone who knows a thing or two would switch to > > pentax, Canon is a better overall system. > > > > jco > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > Of Adam Maas > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 1:17 PM > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo > > > > > > The mistake you're making is assuming that people new to Pentax > > aren't experienced users. Lots of experienced shooters coming from > > various different places are buying into Pentax these days. > > > > -Adam > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:35 PM, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > PEOPLE NEW TO THE BRAND ARE NOT THE ONES > THAT WILL CAUSE > > THE GOOD MANUAL FOCUS FF LENSES > TO SOAR IN VALUE, IT'S EXPERIENCED > > USERS > WHO PREFER MANUAL FOCUS FOR MOST APPLICATIONS! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf > > > Of > > > > > > > > > David Savage > > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:42 AM > > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo > > > > > > > > > People new to the brand aren't interested in manual focus lenses no > > > matter how good they are. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > Dave. > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 11:38 PM, J. C. O'Connell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > short term maybe, but when FF permiates, the aps > lenses > > > are simply not going to be very desireable > when you have got a > > > nice FF camera in you hand. > > > > > Secondly, the other half of my statement was that > > > > the secondary market for FF lenses ( assuming good > > > > ones like smc K,M,A,F,FA etc will soar in value, > > > > especially the ones with features you cant buy anymore like the > > > > K,M,A ( precision manual focus ). jco > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf > > > > Of Adam Maas > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:29 AM > > > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: full frame rumours and innuendo > > > > > > > > > > > > And the experience in the Nikon world is that the high-end DX > lenses > > > > hold their value even after FF arrives. > > > > > > > > -Adam > > > > > > > > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Paul Stenquist > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > Like the Canon and Nikon offerings, Pentax advanced amateur > cameras > > > > > will always outsell any FF camera by a wide margin. They're > > obviously > > > > > not going to abandon APS-C at any point in the near or even > somewhat > > > > > distant future. So lens values will remain at least reasonably > > > > > constant. As for me, I'll have paid for my DA lenses in work long > > > > > before a FF camera is available. And like Nikon FF cameras, I'm > sure > > > > > a Pentax offering will have a DA frame size option. Paul > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 13, 2008, at 8:11 AM, J. C. O'Connell wrote: > > > > > > Watch the secondary market FF lenses soar in value as the DA > > > > > > > lenses plummet if and when this happens. This is why I havent > > > > > > bought anything but really good FF lenses for myself. > jco > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > > > > > Behalf Of > > > > > > Derby Chang > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:28 AM > > > > > > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > > > Subject: full frame rumours and innuendo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...but probably inevitable > > > > > > > > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/6bczpo > > > > > > http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk/news/ > > > > > > Samsung_hints_at_fullframe_sensor_ > > > > > > for_professional_digital_SLR_camera_news_227234.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > > above > > > and > > > > > > follow the directions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > > above > > > > > > and follow the directions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > > > > [email protected] > > > > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > > > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly > above > > > > > and follow the directions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > M. 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