Hmmm....
On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:44 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Paul, your discussion wasn't civil it was condescending. I made a
comment, you saw fit to correct me twice, repeating yourself as if
it were knowledge from on high,. on cars I have or more properly
had, intimate knowledge of from having disassembled large parts of
them. I'm not angered, I'm annoyed, you don't want to deal with me
when I'm angry.
I don't deny your knowledge of automobiles, yet you seem to deny my
experience. It is mine, it was hard won. I've stripped out my
share of spark plug sockets, on soft aluminum heads. Eevery time you
do that, it makes you want to kick yourself. Well at least it makes
me want to kick myself. That, makes me angry.
paul stenquist wrote:
I find it amusing that a civil discussion leaves you so distraught.
Anger management is perhaps in order.
Paul
On Aug 26, 2009, at 12:00 PM, P. J. Alling wrote:
Paul, Have a pissing match with somebody else. I worked on them I
restored them, nothing I have said has contradicted any of the
things you've posted and I dare say that someone, me, who tore
down and rebuilt a couple of four cylinder air cooled power
plants, and helped "drop" and re-install the the engines on a
couple of Porsche 911's and a 912, in trade for brazing work on my
personal '72 Geha, (as well as the "droping" engine on a 356c, I
sometimes wonder it that job ever got finished, but that;s another
story), knows something about the interchangeability of parts
between the various models. I didn't mention the year that the
911 geometry changed but I figured if you knew anything about them
it went without saying. It was a long time ago. So long ago that
it was still possible for a starving graduate student to dream of
owning a late model good condition Porsche. You are not the only
automotive expert on this list. I don't know much about Detroit
Iron, it never much interested me. But air cooled little Nazi
mobiles, I know. I now invoke Godwin's law on myself and am
exiting this thread.
Paul Stenquist wrote:
It wasn't until the 1969 introduction of the B Series 911 that
the geometry of the car changed from that of the early VW bug.
The drivetrain configuration of the first 911 was identical to
the 356 that preceded it save for the two extra cylinders. The
912, with a four banger, was basically a reskined 356. The rear
engine and nasty weight distribution helped make the cars a
handful, but the swing axle rear suspension and the violent
camber changes it introduced in cornering, made them deadly. Fun,
but deadly.
Paul
On Aug 26, 2009, at 8:44 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
ane the first rear engine Porsches were very dangerous cars. If
you removed the spare tire from a VW type 1, you could do
wheelies with a stock 1600cc engine, more than enough to get you
in a lot of trouble. Put a bigger engine in the back, think
about it, same effect. Later Porschs were more or less immune
from that problem, (and I say more or less for a reason, though
it was still probably advisable to leave the spare tire under
the hood while driving). I worked on these cars I hopped up
these cars, a Karmen, with an 1800cc, plus a little, was my
daily driver for four years. The 911 changed the geometry of
the engine and transmission. It didn't just hang out behind the
rear axial, the way it did on a VW type 1 and the Porsche
Speedsters, etc.
paul stenquist wrote:
Actually, the engine in the VW is in the same place as the
Porsches relative to the rear axle, and the first rear-engined
Porsches were basically just VWs.
Paul
On Aug 26, 2009, at 1:07 AM, P. J. Alling wrote:
That only works in a Porsche because it's so well balanced.
Don't even try that in an old VW with an over sized engine.
With the entire engine hanging out behind the rear wheels
you'll find out the hard way that it doesn't quite work.
Joseph McAllister wrote:
On Aug 25, 2009, at 20:38 , paul stenquist wrote:
My most critical moment came at Lime Rock where I got a 911
Turbo pointing about 90 degrees off course in the first
tight turn after the end of the straight sweeper. I narrowly
saved it, but the Porsche PR guys weren't impressed.
As you probably know by now, with powerful rear engined cars,
the instinct to get off the gas when things go wrong is the
incorrect thing to do. If the rear end starts to come around
on you, Punch It! Putting the power down transfers the
weight to the rear wheels, making them stick better.
In my mid-engined Porsche, it helped to punch it, but usually
not enough power to pull it off unless you punched it just
before you would have become aware it was going to spin. In
other words, finish your braking before you turn in. Have the
power on as you turn into the corner.
Joseph McAllister
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