Yeah his faulty arguement is kind of annoying to all of us Americans who are out of work because our jobs were shipped out of the country. It wouldn't be so bad, if I had gone to see where my job went and knew it was bettering the people, but when I went and saw where my job was shipped to (before it was shipped out of the country, I went to train their employees) I noticed that the people were not being helped by the jobs. They spent money bribing the Governments of both countries that they couldn't pay the workers very much! JG Help me support Autism research! Join my team! http://www.walknowforautism.org/stlouis/blubiconsbuddies http://stampmine.blogspot.com/http://samsphotopage.blogspot.com/
--- On Fri, 12/11/09, Tom C <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Tom C <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: ATT rant! > To: "Pentax-Discuss Mail List" <[email protected]> > Date: Friday, December 11, 2009, 12:35 PM > Tell all that you just said to all > the US citizens out of work right > now, while Indians claiming to have similar skills and > skill levels > are employed. See the disconnect? > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Adam Maas <[email protected]> > wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Tom C <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The sad part is: > >> > >> 1) Stupid greedy American corporations bring many > of these so-call > >> "highly trained professionals" over here on VISA's > because they will > >> work for far less than Americans. > > > > Which is untrue by the way. They get paid market rates > over here and > > occasionally more. And they by-and-large are "highly > trained > > professionals" and typically actually have extensive > experience. I've > > worked with quite a number of these engineering expats > over the years. > > I've zero issues with them aside from occasional > problems with their > > spoken-english skills. > > > >> 2) Stupid greedy American corporations > surrepticiously build the case > >> for bringing them over by claiming a lack of > American workers, all the > >> while planning to and displacing the higher paid > citizen. > > > > Because stupid greedy american parents prefer their > kids take Business > > or Arts degrees rather than Engineering. There is a > lack of > > American-trained engineers at the same time there is a > major excess of > > unemployable BA recipients. And most Comp Sci programs > are pretty much > > useless. You can't hire a BA to do a B.Eng's job and > American's, by > > and large, don't sem interested in acquiring the > skillset necessary to > > do these jobs and if they do, they often think they > should be getting > > mid/high-level jobs straight out of school. > > > >> 3) Stupid greedy American corporations can't see > that many of these > >> people inflate and outright lie regarding their > skillsets. > > > > Well yes, but that's equally a problem with Americans > doing the same thing. > > > >> 4) Stupid greedy American corporations can't see > that many do not > >> understand American business, do not communicate > well, and therefore > >> take longer to produce sub-par work that needs to > be reworked before > >> it is suitable for production use, often > eliminating the perceived > >> cost savings. > > > > It is something of an issue, but often it's exactly > the opposite > > (Frankly, I've found Indians more likely to > communicate well in > > written english than Americans, and the best coders I > see on a regular > > basis are Eastern European). > > > >> 5) Stupid greedy American corporations also move > the work off-shore as > >> a way of eliminating the cost of the American > worker (i.e. jobs) and > >> get the same poor quality or worse. > > > > Because the cost of the American Workers is often not > justified by the > > results. By and large off-shore low-level support > works BETTER than > > doing it in the US. High-level support is entirely > different and the > > experiments with moving it offshore ostly result in > bringing it back > > (or sending it to Australia or Canada where workers > are cheaper and as > > flexible and experienced as their American > compatriots). > > > >> 5) These people are more than happy to take > advantage of stupid greedy > >> American corporations, because their lifestyle > improves (at the > >> expense of citizens) and because much of the > income flows past our > >> borders to support their economy not ours, and > they laugh all the way > >> to the bank. > >> > > > > True, but neither the corporations nor the foreigners > fault. Start > > training reasonable amounts of engineers in the US > again and you'll > > see it change. > > > > BTW, if you go to most any Engineering program in > North America, > > you'll see the student body dominated by immigrants, > foreign students > > or the children of immigrants. Most of the long-time > natives are over > > in the Social Sciences or Commerce programs getting > ready for their > > Starbucks career. > > > > -- > > M. Adam Maas > > http://www.mawz.ca > > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > > > -- > > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > > [email protected] > > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link > directly above and follow the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
