Come on you and I both know that there is next to no REAL REGULATION regarding what a person gets paid once they get over here. Pay is a range, so by your own words do you thing companies will try and pay at the low end of the range or the top end? Do you think the US government regularly goes around and checks up on that? The laws are mere pieces of paper just like the other unenforced immigration laws. The only enforcement, if any, is really by means of the headcount which either is renewed or raised. What is the difference between an H1B and an immigrant? I know but I'm speaking in practical terms. They're both people that enter the country and fill a seat somewhere.
Also don't forget that IF the companies ARE paying a "market" rate, that the real workers are often not seeing that, because they were recruited and supplied by a firm, often Indian owned or staffed by them, and they take a big bite out of billing rates, and that rate may again be effectively lowered by a dual on/off-shore model. Sure we'll give you X people at "market rate" and to sweeten the deal we'll give you X people offshore at 1/3 of that. And that money again flows out of the economy. I agree wholeheartedly that companies will GLADLY pay a lower rate for a worker if given the chance to. It's just such a system they lobbied for and got legislated. They are essentially blind to whether they are getting a good product or value for the money. The corporations created the environement we have and you more or less are turning it around saying look at market reality. They engineered the reality. Don't blame the American worker for the job losses because they do not desire a pay cut. Most of us have already seen a cut. On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:07 PM, Adam Maas <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Sandra Hermann <[email protected]> > wrote: >> Yeah his faulty arguement is kind of annoying to all of us Americans who are >> out of work because our jobs were shipped out of the country. >> It wouldn't be so bad, if I had gone to see where my job went and knew it >> was bettering the people, but when I went and saw where my job was shipped >> to (before it was shipped out of the country, I went to train their >> employees) I noticed that the people were not being helped by the jobs. >> They spent money bribing the Governments of both countries that they >> couldn't pay the workers very much! >> JG > > So exactlywhat's faulty about my argument (Note I never said that my > position was always the case, just often). > > I know people get screwed by offshoring. But I'm frankly a little sick > of people going on and on like companies owe them a job. Tom's rant up > there was simply wrong in most particulars (especially how H1b's get > payed, the folks doing the undercutting are mostly immigrants, not > H1b's due to the real-world restrictions on employing H1b's, and on > the lack of properly trained technical people in the US, which is very > real, particularly in engineering) and his response disn't answer a > single one of my objections to his original rant, let alone disprove > any of them. > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://www.mawz.ca > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
