Tell all that you just said to all the US citizens out of work right now, while Indians claiming to have similar skills and skill levels are employed. See the disconnect? There's a reason and it's not because they are superior or perform at a higher level.
I just got off a project where three skilled American workers were let go and the jobs filled by landed Asians and/or offshore workers. We were told it was price. Market Rate is a euphemism. They come over and work at a lower rate, hence they define the market rate. Tom On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:28 PM, Adam Maas <[email protected]> wrote: > On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM, Tom C <[email protected]> wrote: >> The sad part is: >> >> 1) Stupid greedy American corporations bring many of these so-call >> "highly trained professionals" over here on VISA's because they will >> work for far less than Americans. > > Which is untrue by the way. They get paid market rates over here and > occasionally more. And they by-and-large are "highly trained > professionals" and typically actually have extensive experience. I've > worked with quite a number of these engineering expats over the years. > I've zero issues with them aside from occasional problems with their > spoken-english skills. > >> 2) Stupid greedy American corporations surrepticiously build the case >> for bringing them over by claiming a lack of American workers, all the >> while planning to and displacing the higher paid citizen. > > Because stupid greedy american parents prefer their kids take Business > or Arts degrees rather than Engineering. There is a lack of > American-trained engineers at the same time there is a major excess of > unemployable BA recipients. And most Comp Sci programs are pretty much > useless. You can't hire a BA to do a B.Eng's job and American's, by > and large, don't sem interested in acquiring the skillset necessary to > do these jobs and if they do, they often think they should be getting > mid/high-level jobs straight out of school. > >> 3) Stupid greedy American corporations can't see that many of these >> people inflate and outright lie regarding their skillsets. > > Well yes, but that's equally a problem with Americans doing the same thing. > >> 4) Stupid greedy American corporations can't see that many do not >> understand American business, do not communicate well, and therefore >> take longer to produce sub-par work that needs to be reworked before >> it is suitable for production use, often eliminating the perceived >> cost savings. > > It is something of an issue, but often it's exactly the opposite > (Frankly, I've found Indians more likely to communicate well in > written english than Americans, and the best coders I see on a regular > basis are Eastern European). > >> 5) Stupid greedy American corporations also move the work off-shore as >> a way of eliminating the cost of the American worker (i.e. jobs) and >> get the same poor quality or worse. > > Because the cost of the American Workers is often not justified by the > results. By and large off-shore low-level support works BETTER than > doing it in the US. High-level support is entirely different and the > experiments with moving it offshore ostly result in bringing it back > (or sending it to Australia or Canada where workers are cheaper and as > flexible and experienced as their American compatriots). > >> 5) These people are more than happy to take advantage of stupid greedy >> American corporations, because their lifestyle improves (at the >> expense of citizens) and because much of the income flows past our >> borders to support their economy not ours, and they laugh all the way >> to the bank. >> > > True, but neither the corporations nor the foreigners fault. Start > training reasonable amounts of engineers in the US again and you'll > see it change. > > BTW, if you go to most any Engineering program in North America, > you'll see the student body dominated by immigrants, foreign students > or the children of immigrants. Most of the long-time natives are over > in the Social Sciences or Commerce programs getting ready for their > Starbucks career. > > -- > M. Adam Maas > http://www.mawz.ca > Explorations of the City Around Us. > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
