On Friday, November 25, 2011 6:45 PM, "Rick Womer" <[email protected]> wrote: > Having nominated Bill for a "Mark!", I don't agree with him. > > Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got lots of > interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the > photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a lot > from that--it is this group at its best. > > When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are > gratifyingly, constructively critical. > > When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be told > =why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too. > > What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's "an > excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject" I'd > like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is lacking, > or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too. >
I pretty much agree with Rick on this. I only vaguely recall the issue that Bill and Paul referred to, when a particularly scathing and personal critique was given. That must be nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent moratorium on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on? Cheers Brian ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > Rick > > http://photo.net/photos/RickW > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Robb <[email protected]> > To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List <[email protected]> > Cc: > Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM > Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism > > On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > > > One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and take > > criticism. And a related discussion > of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of discussion. > > > > -- > > > That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member who > attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. > It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest > critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique will > likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word > critique kind of come from.) > I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the photograph > on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. > And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, whether it > be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with a > kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning > image, etc) or no comment at all. > > Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no one > likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor > rendering of a banal and cliched subject. > > -- > William Robb > > -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > [email protected] > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and > follow the directions. > > -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Same, same, but different... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
