On Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:25 PM, [email protected] wrote: > My lack of comments on images generally means I'm not interested in the > subject matter or there are too mamy for me to take the time to view. And > as > some one else has already stated, commenting on images in a GESO is just > asking for too much.
Yes, I regard GESOs as being posted for enjoyment, not critical comment. I'll usually nominate a couple of favourites but nothing much more. Cheers Brian ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Brian Walters Western Sydney Australia http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > > Kenneth Waller > http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Paul Stenquist" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism > > > > After reading Ann's comment, i have to add the same qualifier to my > > previous comment. I can't possibly comment on every photo -- I'd never get > > any work done. So a lack of response doesn't mean I don't like it. > > However, I merely meant to point out that, in regard to my own photos, I > > generally interpret a lack of response as somewhat telling. > > Pau > > On Nov 26, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Ann Sanfedele wrote: > > > >> Well I have to jump in just to say this - while I don't bother to comment > >> at all on photos that don't interest me my "doest quite work for me" and > >> suggestions like why dont you you crop a bit are always > >> comments made to photograhers that really do want comments and who > >> seem to be to be those who would like to hear them. > >> > >> But I hope noone ever reads the _lack_ of any comment at all by me > >> (or, for that matter, lots of others of us) as an automatic thumbs down - > >> the randomness with which I read the list and look at the Peso's cannot > >> be exagerated... > >> > >> My PDML folder has over 2000 emails in it right now, and 1258 unread. > >> I'll never get around to reading anything more than a couple of days old. > >> > >> For the most part I only show stuff to the list of my own that I think is > >> at least competent but more as a way of telling what I've been up to > >> instead of writing it in words... or presenting a couple of choices > >> on the same subject because I can't decide which works better... > >> > >> I probably should keep from commenting too much on images until after > >> my eye exam in January :-) > >> > >> ann > >> > >> > >> > >> On 11/26/2011 09:44, Jack Davis wrote: > >>> I agree with Paul. Not that I see every posted image, but if I really > >>> can't find something sufficiently pleasing about an image, I often > >>> convey these feelings by not commenting. > >>> Doesn't happen often, at least not that I've recently noticed, but I > >>> find it particularly inappropriate for a third party to jump to an > >>> indignant defense of an image by means of demeaning comments directed at > >>> the critique's author. > >>> > >>> Jack > >>> . > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: Paul Stenquist<[email protected]> > >>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List<[email protected]> > >>> Cc: > >>> Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 5:02 AM > >>> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 26, 2011, at 3:16 AM, Christine Aguila wrote: > >>> > >>>> I agree with Rick and Brian. And I agree with Ken. Everyone on the > >>>> PDML is capable of giving frank and respectful critique. Everyone has > >>>> the rhetorical skills and the photographic technical skills. I wasn't > >>>> on the list when the situation Bill refers to took place, but I just > >>>> can't recall a time when anyone came rhetorically close to repeating > >>>> that situation since I've been on the list, yet there have been plenty > >>>> of times PDMLers received helpful critique, and I've benefited from it. > >>>> Like Larry, I find it helpful when reading the critiques of other > >>>> people's work. Like Brian has said, "Can't we just move on?" > >>>> > >>> Of course. And I think we have. I only referred to the situation Bill > >>> mentioned, because the overall negative reaction to that particular > >>> critique of so many years ago was justified. I think our discussions of > >>> posted photos are appropriate for this type of list. Tips are frequently > >>> offered and questions are raised. When no one comments on a photo I've > >>> posted, I count that as a statement in itself: BORING! > >>> > >>> > >>>> Cheers, Christine > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 25, 2011, at 10:01 PM, "Brian Walters"<[email protected]> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> On Friday, November 25, 2011 6:45 PM, "Rick Womer" > >>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: > >>>>>> Having nominated Bill for a "Mark!", I don't agree with him. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Over the summer I posted a view from a New Hampshire peak. I got > >>>>>> lots of > >>>>>> interesting and useful comments, and one list member manipulated the > >>>>>> photo in LR and posted a version much better than mine. I learned a > >>>>>> lot > >>>>>> from that--it is this group at its best. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When a pic falls short, I want to know why. Several people here are > >>>>>> gratifyingly, constructively critical. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> When I have a pic that works, it's nice to be told so, and also be > >>>>>> told > >>>>>> =why= people think it works. Many listers are good at that, too. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> What I don't like is getting no comments on a photo at all. If it's > >>>>>> "an > >>>>>> excruciatingly boring, poor rendering of a banal and cliched subject" > >>>>>> I'd > >>>>>> like to know that. If it's technically great but the subject is > >>>>>> lacking, > >>>>>> or vice versa, I'd like to know that, too. > >>>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> I pretty much agree with Rick on this. > >>>>> > >>>>> I only vaguely recall the issue that Bill and Paul referred to, when a > >>>>> particularly scathing and personal critique was given. That must be > >>>>> nudging 8-10 years ago, but it seems to have put a permanent > >>>>> moratorium > >>>>> on providing full and frank feedback. Can't we move on? > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> > >>>>> Brian > >>>>> > >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >>>>> Brian Walters > >>>>> Western Sydney Australia > >>>>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/ > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>>> Rick > >>>>>> > >>>>>> http://photo.net/photos/RickW > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>>>>> From: William Robb<[email protected]> > >>>>>> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List<[email protected]> > >>>>>> Cc: > >>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 7:06 PM > >>>>>> Subject: Re: Giving and taking criticism > >>>>>> > >>>>>> On 25/11/2011 2:18 PM, Larry Colen wrote: > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> One thing I haven't seen a lot of is discussion on how to give and > >>>>>>> take criticism. And a related discussion > >>>>>> of what venues on the net, or off, are good for that sort of > >>>>>> discussion. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> > >>>>>> That's because we don't offer criticism here. We had a regular member > >>>>>> who > >>>>>> attempted it one time; he was promptly chased off the island. > >>>>>> It put a very real chill on the entire concept of giving an honest > >>>>>> critique of images that get shown here, since any honest critique > >>>>>> will > >>>>>> likely have some criticism accompanying it (that being what the word > >>>>>> critique kind of come from.) > >>>>>> I tried to give a critique one time and was told to accept the > >>>>>> photograph > >>>>>> on it's own merits, and either accept it for what it was or STFU. > >>>>>> And now you know why most every photograph that is shown here, > >>>>>> whether it > >>>>>> be a stunning landscape or a tedious snapshot of a child playing with > >>>>>> a > >>>>>> kitten gets, more or less, the same response (great capture, stunning > >>>>>> image, etc) or no comment at all. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Most people don't want a critique, they want an ego massage, and no > >>>>>> one > >>>>>> likes to be told that their image is an excruciatingly boring, poor > >>>>>> rendering of a banal and cliched subject. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> William Robb > > -- -- http://www.fastmail.fm - One of many happy users: http://www.fastmail.fm/docs/quotes.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List [email protected] http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
