Just out of curiosity, what sort of horror stories have you heard about Safari? 
I have used Safari since it was introduced last century sometime, have never 
seen any reason to try anything different . . . Is the horror related to 
something it does, or to something people think it should do that it doesn't?

stan

On Jul 1, 2013, at 12:21 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

> From: Ann Sanfedele
>> On 6/30/2013 11:53, Aahz Maruch wrote:
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> Honestly, this really is for your own good.  I bet that if you disable
>>> all plugins and extensions, this problem goes away.  If you have
>>> JavaScript enabled, you REALLY need to upgrade, or you're asking to get
>>> cracked.  Ditto if you access any SSL-enabled sites.
>>> 
>>> I'm personally extremely unhappy to get stuck on the upgrade treadmill,
>>> but today's malware environment pretty much requires it.
>>> 
>> I buckled under too... for the same reason.. but haven't yet updated
>> java to latest - dragging my feet on that.
>> 
>> I've allowed firefox to upgrade whenever suggested lately.
>> 
>> ann
> 
> Ok, here's the deal:
> 
> The problem with Mozilla started on Saturday, 29Jun2013. Every time I
> launch the browser, I get TWO tabs - homepage & Plugin check.
> 
> https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/
> 
> I have to tell NoScript to allow Mozilla.org before I can see the
> plugins being checked.
> 
> *ALL* of my plugins are currently up to date except for Quicktime (more
> on that later). I had to disable Quicktime.
> 
> I cannot log in to Mozilla.org support. It tells me my username or
> password is incorrect. I cannot create a new account because my existing
> account is already linked to my email address. I will have to create a
> new email account if I want to create a new Mozilla account so I can log
> in to Mozilla.org "support".
> 
> Searching Mozilla.org, I find a question about the same problem I'm
> experiencing. The topic was CLOSED as FIXED 2 years before I encountered
> the problem. None of the solutions proposed back then work.
> 
> Quicktime - You can't just download it, you MUST HAVE AN ACCOUNT.
> 
> Apple won't let me use my iTunes username/password to download Quicktime.
> 
> Apple wouldn't let me create a new account to download Quicktime because
> my email address is already linked to my iTunes account. I can't update
> Quicktime because I can't log in to my existing account & I can't create
> a new account.
> 
> So, I have disabled Quicktime. When I start Firefox, I still get the
> same two tabs & when I look at the plugins, Quicktime is not shown.
> All of the other plugins are current and up to date.
> 
> I'm looking to see what other browser options I might have. It will
> *NOT* be Windoze Exploder, and it will *NOT* be Chrome. Probably not
> Safari either given the number of horror stories I've heard about it &
> the problems I'm already having with Quicktime.
> 
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