I'll try and combine all my replies to you all into one: John -
I see what you mean, so I will be needing to change over to WFS, also I need to check my current preferences. Thanks for the link, it will be interesting reading. Craig - >There are still things about 2004 that I >don't like, such as the unhelp system, and the amount of functionality >that is biased towards FPGA design. "Unhelp system", I find 99SE much the same, if you want to know something basic then it's fine, but things particularly like errors when synchronising sch to pcb, the messages it gives mean absolutely nothing, often it takes a long time to work out which component/connection the problem lies with! But I digress... FPGA design is of no use to us here to be honest, we use PIC's and Hitachi H8 processors and similar, we still have at least one all analogue product. Gareth - They don't sound too large at all, I have some 40MB ddb's, they are files for designs not just libraries though. As I've said above I need to check compression, though I'm nearly almost positive I have compressed one of them before... I'll find out exactly what he tried. I'll be wanting to integrate existing components/footprints/designs into 2004 from 99SE also without too much work. I'll be needing to use SourceSafe then to provide central version control, though it is nice to know I can also have local version control if I want it. Thanks and Best Regards Norman Webster Development Engineer Gas Detection Systems -------------------------------------------------------------- Draeger Safety UK Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.draeger-safety.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Draeger Safety >> Pioneering Solutions "Gareth De Mar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/06/2005 01:07 Please respond to Protel EDA Discussion List <[email protected]> To "Protel EDA Discussion List" <[email protected]> cc Subject RE: [PEDA] Library organisation etc Norman, Our schematic library is about 1.5Meg and footprint library about 5meg. To me those sizes are not outrageous. One thing that is important when using sourcesafe with .ddb files is to make sure that the 'Compact Design after closing' is enabled. You will find that option from the design explorer - down arrow (next to File menu) - design utilities. Just wondering, when your colleague says HUGE, what actual file sizes is he seeing? About DXP 2004. We have just upgraded (last week), however won't be using it until we upgrade our computers next month. The libraries that come with 2004 look to be quite comprehensive, both schematic and footprint. So at this early stage, I am really unsure as to how we might integrate our 99se libs with 2004's, or whether we will at all. None of our libraries have simulation models attached, I think that many of the 2004 libraries might do, so that may influence what we do as well. I don't know yet! What I would like to be able to do is somehow link 2004 libraries into our database, however, our database system is an archaic dos based "Relational Database System" that won't relate to anything! Anyway, once we've had time to have a look at what our options are, I'll certainly be back to this forum to ask some questions. About 2004 version control. It does interface to sourcesafe (and others), so you still need to use your existing version control software for centralised version control. If you don't want to have a centralised version control, 2004 does provide a locally based version control. Cheers for now, Gareth. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 23 June 2005 8:37 PM To: Protel EDA Discussion List Subject: RE: [PEDA] Library organisation etc Gareth/John/All, Has anyone who does use ddb's with SourceSafe found that the SourceSafe database ends up HUGE? I found out that my colleague has tried it but had this problem (I really should speak with him more we're in the same office!). Does anyone know if this is easier with 2004 than 99SE? I think we'd look at 2004 if it would help us with this but it also depends how many other new techniques etc we'd have to learn and if the upgrade is worthwhile. I've already found this http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00295.html and this http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00917.html it seems 2004 has something to take care of version control, in which case I'd only need to store the central libraries in SourceSafe. Thanks to all. Best Regards Norman Webster Development Engineer Gas Detection Systems -------------------------------------------------------------- Draeger Safety UK Limited [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.draeger-safety.com --------------------------------------------------------------- Draeger Safety >> Pioneering Solutions "John A. Ross [RSDTV]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22/06/2005 09:26 Please respond to Protel EDA Discussion List <[email protected]> To "'Protel EDA Discussion List'" <[email protected]> cc Subject RE: [PEDA] Library organisation etc > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gareth De Mar > Sent: 22 June 2005 04:16 > To: Protel EDA Discussion List > Subject: RE: [PEDA] Library organisation etc > > Hello Norman, John... > > John, thankyou for pointing me to the kb article. I was > unaware of the sourcesafe/.ddb issue. > Here we actually use .ddb's with sourcesafe. The only issue > I am aware of is that it is necessary to close down > protel99se prior to checking in/out .ddb library files. Gareth Perhaps as the files are locked until you actually close P99SE? Sometimes even waiting for the process to stop afetr a long session. Sometimes if the application crashes and has to be terminated you will see a .ldb file of the same name as the .ddb present in the same path (if you allow view of system files :-) ) John > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum > > To Post messages: > mailto:[email protected] > > Unsubscribe and Other Options: > http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com > > Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] > > ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] ____________________________________________________________ You are subscribed to the PEDA discussion forum To Post messages: mailto:[email protected] Unsubscribe and Other Options: http://techservinc.com/mailman/listinfo/peda_techservinc.com Browse or Search Old Archives (2001-2004): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] Browse or Search Current Archives (2004-Current): http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]
