Ben, thanks, you saved me the trouble of asking Jon to explain his cryptic post.
John, the bit you quoted is my wording of that part of Peirce's analysis (around EP2:282) which is basic to Frederik's thesis, which is considerably more complex than that (which is why we need a months-long seminar to deal with it). Whether Frederik would approve of my exact wording I don't know, but I also don't know what your objection to it is. Perhaps you can clarify. By the way, have you read any of NP yet? gary f. -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Udell [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 2-Sep-14 10:56 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] Re:Natural Propositions Jon, Why not be a bit more specific? You know that Peirce starting in 1903 Syllabus "Nomenclature and Division of Triadic Relations" says that some dicisigns (a.k.a. dicent signs) are symbols and some dicisigns instead are indices. Is your argument that every dicisign incorporates a symbol (I can't remember Peirce's view on this)? - and that, therefore, every dicisign is symbolic, even if not every dicisign is a symbol? In that case your objection seems a bit strong since it would be focused on Gary F.'s using the adjective "symbolic" rather than the noun "symbol." But maybe your objection consists in something else. Why leave people guessing? Best, Ben On 9/2/2014 10:30 AM, Jon Awbrey wrote: > Re: Gary Fuhrman > At: http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.science.philosophy.peirce/13838 > > "I think your book will change all that, showing as it does a dicisign > — that is, a sign complete enough to be true — must involve both > iconic and indexical components, but does not have to be symbolic." > > Gary, > > That statement is the very epitome of the retrograde motion that has > occurred in the understanding of Peirce's logic and semiotics in > recent years. If that really is Frederik's thesis then you have just > saved me the trouble of an utterly futile discussion. > > Regards, > > Jon > > Gary Fuhrman wrote:
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