Thanks Ben, Kirsti and list... So, would you say that CP 5.189 qualifies as syllogism, i.e., is it "hypothesis" based on what you know of what Peirce said on Aristotle? Why or why not?
What's the predicate, subject and middle term? Thanks, Jerry R On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:19 PM, <kirst...@saunalahti.fi> wrote: > CSP was thoroughly familiar with Aristotle, both his syllogisms and their > context in those times. It may be good to remember that Aristotle's works, > along all others, were translated into Latin by the time we call the new > age. > > Translations always involve interpretation. Thus what has passed on into > modern logic & philosophy as 'Aristotelian syllogism' I find gravely > misunderstood. - Basics of Western math had changed, via Arab influence. > The birth of albegra (al-jabr) had taken place. > > Ben is putting the discussion into right tracts in introducing CSP's > entries on the topic. > > Kirsti > > Benjamin Udell kirjoitti 25.4.2016 19:16: > >> Jon S., Jerry R., Edwina, Jim W., Ben N., list, >> >> "Syllogism" has been used more broadly in the past. I checked the >> Century Dictionary's definition of syllogism, of which Peirce was in >> charge. >> >> List of words beginning with "S" at PEP-UQÁM: >> >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20120209081844/http://www.pep.uqam.ca/listsofwords.pep?l=S >> [4] >> >> Century Dictionary page 6123: >> >> >> http://triggs.djvu.org/century-dictionary.com/djvu2jpgframes.php?volno=07&page=807&query=syllogism >> [5] >> >> The discussion of sense 1 is long, and includes not only modus ponens >> but also induction and hypothesis as kinds of syllogism - calling >> induction "major indirect probable syllogism" and hypothesis "minor >> indirect probable syllogism". However, in later years, Peirce >> discusses hypothesis (abductive inference) in terms of plausibility >> rather than probability, and even his sense of "probable" in "major >> probable syllogism" really refers to what he later calls >> verisimilitude, the likeness of the conclusion to the premisses. >> >> Sense 2 of "syllogism" in the Century Dictionary says, "Deductive or >> explicatory reasoning as opposed to induction and hypothesis: a use of >> the term which has been common since Aristotle." >> >> "Statistical syllogism" is discussed in Wikipedia: >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_syllogism [6] >> >> Best, Ben >> >> On 4/24/2016 2:42 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote: >> >> Jerry R., List: >>> >>> I thought that Edwina and I had made it clear by now that CP 5.189 >>> is NOT a syllogism, at least not in the strict technical sense. I >>> thus take Ben to be using the term colloquially. In fact, >>> dictionary.com [1] gives three definitions for "syllogism": >>> >>> * Logic. an argument the conclusion of which is supported by two >>> premises, of which one (major premise) contains the term (major >>> term) that is the predicate of the conclusion, and the other (minor >>> premise) contains the term (minor term) that is the subject of the >>> conclusion; common to both premises is a term (middle term) that is >>> excluded from the conclusion. A typical form is “All A is C; all B >>> is A; therefore all B is C.” >>> * deductive reasoning. >>> * an extremely subtle, sophisticated, or deceptive argument. >>> >>> I suppose that the third one MIGHT be applicable to CP 5.189, but in >>> light of Peirce's well-known concern about the ethics of >>> terminology, I think that we should steer clear of it in this >>> context. Again, surprise/suspect are not terms in the syllogism >>> itself at all; they are what initiates the inquiry (surprise at C) >>> and what serves as its outcome (suspicion that A explains C) in the >>> one who is doing the reasoning. >>> >>> As for your stated desire "to link CP 5.189 with Peirce’s esoteric >>> writing in A Neglected Argument"--as I indicated, the syllogism that >>> he references in the latter is the one that I outlined previously, >>> where A and R are the premisses and C is the (deductive) conclusion >>> that follows from them. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA >>> Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman >>> www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt [2] - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt >>> [3] >>> >> >> >> Links: >> ------ >> [1] http://dictionary.com >> [2] http://www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt >> [3] http://twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt >> [4] >> >> http://web.archive.org/web/20120209081844/http://www.pep.uqam.ca/listsofwords.pep?l=S >> [5] >> >> http://triggs.djvu.org/century-dictionary.com/djvu2jpgframes.php?volno=07&page=807&query=syllogism >> [6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_syllogism >> > > > > ----------------------------- > PEIRCE-L subscribers: Click on "Reply List" or "Reply All" to REPLY ON > PEIRCE-L to this message. PEIRCE-L posts should go to > peirce-L@list.iupui.edu . To UNSUBSCRIBE, send a message not to PEIRCE-L > but to l...@list.iupui.edu with the line "UNSubscribe PEIRCE-L" in the > BODY of the message. More at http://www.cspeirce.com/peirce-l/peirce-l.htm > . > > > > > >
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