Gary, list,
I think, democracy is a matter of systems theory. But Peirce, I think, did not go into systems theories, as he built a theory of signs in a universal phaneron, which works without having to look at interpreting systems such as individuals, social systems, countries or nations. That does not mean that his theory is wrong. It just does not include the systems thing. So, if Peirce wrote things about democracy, was opposed to female suffrage, and thought that a community should be ruled by an authoritative government, then I think that this is not relevant. He was out on a limb then, I presumptuously guess.
Best,
Helmut
Clark, Stefan, Stephen, List,
Clark quoted me quoting Stefan,a snippet of which I emphasized in my last post: "The context for Peirce thinking about democracy and political economy are obviously his religious ideas. Central concepts in this context are love and greed/ altruism and egoism." Stefan thought we might consider looking at Aristotle's views of democracy in approaching Peirce's. I expressed some considerable reservations about that approach.
Clark wrote:
I’d imagine the interesting question regarding democracy is how it relates to societal inquiry. That is the more interesting question is less the boundaries of democracy as compared to competing institutions than the different types of governments within democracy.
I think that in a general sense that is "the more interesting question," and if it could br addressed in light of Peirce's views, well that would be very interesting indeed. But principally I'm hoping to get at the specific sense in which Peirce viewed democracy and related concepts, then possibly comparing/contrasting his views with Dewey's, Talisse's, Hook's, etc., and, especially, contemporary views. I think that the group of quotations which Stefan offered might be a good place to look for at least hints of how Peirce viewed democracy, political economy, republicanism, etc. It also may prove to be 'slim pickin's'.
Talisse's work, with which I introduced this topic, might also provide an entree to Peirce's view. Stephen offered an excerpt from that book, A Pragmatist Philosophy of Democracy, from which the following snippet is excerpted; this too might suggest a driection for our inquiry:
aggressive policies of distributive justice, or fundamental reforms of the
news media which need not appeal to “growth,” but only to the prerequisites
of proper epistemic activity. For unlike “growth,” the ideal of promoting
epistemic responsibility amongst a population of democratic citizens is
not reasonably rejectable.
Yet
the question remains: do Talisse's views as expressed in his book truly reflect Peirce'
s
?
But, first, what are Peirce's views of political economy and democracy.
Best,
Gary R
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On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 5:53 PM, Clark Goble <[email protected]> wrote:
On Nov 23, 2016, at 3:29 PM, Gary Richmond <[email protected]> wrote:The context for Peirce thinking about democracy and political economy are obviously his religious ideas. Central concepts in this context are love and greed/ altruism and egoism. This brings immediatly Aristoteles classification of forms of government to my mind (Pol. III, 6 f.).
I’d imagine the interesting question regarding democracy is how it relates to societal inquiry. That is the more interesting question is less the boundaries of democracy as compared to competing institutions than the different types of governments within democracy. An obvious example is top down type governance verses bottom up or emergent government. The former tends to be what progressivism embraces (either the early 20th century Bismarkian inspired form or the more contemporary form) whereas in theory conservatism embraces the later. This also gets at the issue of federalism (which given Trump some liberals are starting to embrace).
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