John S., List:

JFS:  I would say that every diagram is an image ...


Peirce explicitly said otherwise in CP 2.277, dividing hypoicons into
images, diagrams, and metaphors.

JFS:  But there has never been a sharp distinction between science and
engineering.


Maybe not in fact, but certainly in perception.  My comments about this in
the article were intentionally somewhat polemic.

Regards,

Jon Alan Schmidt - Olathe, Kansas, USA
Professional Engineer, Amateur Philosopher, Lutheran Layman
www.LinkedIn.com/in/JonAlanSchmidt - twitter.com/JonAlanSchmidt

On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:22 PM, John F Sowa <[email protected]> wrote:

> On 9/27/2017 5:07 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt wrote:
>
>> A diagram, in Peirce's terminology, is not an image; it is an icon,
>> with indexical and symbolic elements, that embodies the significant
>> relations among the parts of its object.  An algebraic equation is
>> a diagram just as much as a geometric figure.
>>
>
> I agree with some of the points in this passage, but I disagree
> with the first one.  I would say that every diagram is an image,
> but it may be a composite image that contains components that
> are interpreted as iconic, indexical, or symbolic.
>
> An algebraic equation is a diagram that people may draw on paper
> or contemplate as a mental image.  Chess players who go beyond an
> elementary level can contemplate mental diagrams that represent
> the chess board.  They can play a blindfold game and win against
> chess players with lesser skills who can see the complete board
> in front of them.
>
> The diagrams in a chess player's mind are images with both iconic
> and symbolic aspects.  The image of the board is iconic.  But the
> images of the pieces become more abstract symbols.
>
> I touched on how ethical reasoning can also be diagrammatic
>> --referencing this very lecture as helpfully summarized by
>> Daniel Campos...
>>
>
> Thanks for the reference.  I found a free copy at
> https://www.researchgate.net/publication/289706934_The_Role_
> of_Diagrammatic_Reasoning_in_Ethical_Deliberation
>
> the last installment of my recent series of articles on "The Logic
>> of Ingenuity" (http://www.structuremag.org/?p=11107).
>>
>
> That's also a good article.  But there has never been a sharp
> distinction between science and engineering.  Even Aristotle
> claimed that knowledge from praxis and theoria are both important
> for metaphysics.  Peirce would certainly agree.
>
> In the 19th century, the British Royal Society was limited
> to "gentlemen" who were sufficiently wealthy that they did not
> have to earn a living from their studies.  There was a lot of
> prejudice against Faraday, but he eventually became FRS.
>
> John
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