Cassiano, George, I've done a search through the Collected Papers, the Writings, Contributions to 'the Nation', and the Comprehensive Bibliography, and found no references to Hölderlin, Holderlin, or Hoelderlin. All instances of "Zeichen" were in titles of secondary works listed in the Comprehensive Bibliography. I found one instance of "Mnemosyne" in Peirce's writing, in "§2. Second Thoughts. Irenica" in "Evolutionary Love" http://www.cspeirce.com/menu/library/bycsp/evolove/evolove.htm The Monist, vol. 3, pp. 176-200 (1893), but it wasn't in explicit connection with Hölderlin. CP 6.301. Remembering that all matter is really mind, remembering, too, the continuity of mind, let us ask what aspect Lamarckian evolution takes on within the domain of consciousness. Direct endeavor can achieve almost nothing. It is as easy by taking thought to add a cubit to one's stature as it is to produce an idea acceptable to any of the Muses by merely straining for it before it is ready to come. We haunt in vain the sacred well and throne of Mnemosyne; the deeper workings of the spirit take place in their own slow way, without our connivance. Let but their bugle sound, and we may then make our effort, sure of an oblation for the altar of whatsoever divinity its savour gratifies. Besides this inward process, there is the operation of the environment, which goes to break up habits destined to be broken up and so to render the mind lively. Everybody knows that the long continuance of a routine of habit makes us lethargic, while a succession of surprises wonderfully brightens the ideas. [....] Searching online on +Peirce Hölderlin, I found that Sebeok mentions Hölderlin's poem in connection with Peirce in Footnote 2 in Global Semiotics: 2. The "man-sign analogy" is not, contrary to what many Peirce scholars suppose, unique to him. Cf., for instance, this pronouncement by Hölderlin: "Ein Zeichen sind wir, deutungslos, Schmerzlos sind wir und haben fast die Sprache in der Fremde verloren" (1959, 204). With some Google translation help, a nearly word-for-word translation seems: A sign are we, interpretationless, painless are we and have almost lost the language in the foreign [or the foreign land or the unknown]. Best, Ben
----- Original Message ----- From: gstic...@mindspring.com To: PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [peirce-l] Peirce and Hölderlin I've not found anything in a bit of a cursory search George -----Original Message----- From: Cassiano Terra Rodrigues Sent: Aug 31, 2011 1:46 AM To: PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU Subject: [peirce-l] Peirce and H=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=F6lderlin?= Hello list: Does anyone know whether Peirce knew anything by Friedrich Hölderlin? I'm thinking specifically about Hölderlins poem called Mnemosyne, where the image of man as sign appears. I found this link to the poem: http://publish.uwo.ca/~rparke3/documents/mnemosynedrafttrans.pdf And also this quote from Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit (I couldn't make sure yet whether or not it's from "The Death of Empedocles"/ "Der Tod des Empedokles", by Hölderlin): "Der Pathos des Sängers ist nicht die betäubende Naturmacht, sondern die Mnemosyne, die Besinnung und gewordeneInnerlichkeit, die Erinnerung des unmittelbaren Wesens." (sorry, I can't translate that into English and couldn't find the translation online, but it's from the Phenomenology of Spirit, VII.B.c: The Spiritual Work of Art). This quote seems to indicate to the same general philosophical point as CSP does in his 1868 papers on cognition: the impossibility of an imediate knowledge. Anyway, just a point of historical curiosity; but the Hölderlin case seems more interesting, to me at least. All the very best to all, cass. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the PEIRCE-L listserv. To remove yourself from this list, send a message to lists...@listserv.iupui.edu with the line "SIGNOFF PEIRCE-L" in the body of the message. To post a message to the list, send it to PEIRCE-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
