Cassiano, George, Ben, Jay,
maybe there is a indirect connection to Hölderlin. Schelling, Hegel and
Hölderlin were close friends when they studied together at the Tübinger
Stift. As far as i know they even were room mates (can't find the
reference).
Although Hölderlin wrote the poem at the end of his life, the idea could
be even older and the three could have shared it somehow (e.g."Das
älteste Systemprogramm des deutschen Idealismus". A text fragment whose
authorship is open. It is handwritten by Hegel, but the authorship can
also belong to Schelling or Hölderlin^1 ). So possible traces to follow
are also Peirce-Hegel-Hölderlin or Peirce-Schelling-Hölderlin.
Best
Stefan
P.S.: "Outland" seems to me the best translation of "Fremde".
^1
http://books.google.de/books?id=s2_nzshEVUcC&pg=PA476&lpg=PA476&dq=Das+%C3%A4lteste+Systemprogramm+des+deutschen+Idealismus&source=bl&ots=a021IdBW2E&sig=acJ0nORf-aHobgnFqbi-xem31dQ&hl=de&ei=mshjTvm0A4KP4gTE972SCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false
I would be very surprised if Peirce were not at least
somewhat familiar with Hölderlin. Hölderlin was a major
19th century poet, and Peirce was steeped in German
literature. I imagine he read German as fluently as
English, having read Kant in German as a teenager.
Jay
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I've not found anything in a bit of a cursory search
George
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Hello list:
Does anyone know whether Peirce knew anything by Friedrich Hölderlin?
I'm thinking specifically about Hölderlins poem called Mnemosyne, where the
image of man as sign appears. I found this link to the poem:
http://publish.uwo.ca/~rparke3/documents/mnemosynedrafttrans.pdf
And also this quote from Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit (I couldn't make sure yet whether or not
it's from "The Death of Empedocles"/ "Der Tod des Empedokles", by Hölderlin):
"Der Pathos des Sängers ist nicht die betäubende Naturmacht, sondern die Mnemosyne,
die Besinnung und gewordeneInnerlichkeit, die Erinnerung des unmittelbaren Wesens."
(sorry, I can't translate that into English and couldn't find the translation online, but
it's from the Phenomenology of Spirit, VII.B.c: The Spiritual Work of Art). This quote
seems to indicate to the same general philosophical point as CSP does in his 1868 papers
on cognition: the impossibility of an imediate knowledge. Anyway, just a point of
historical curiosity; but the Hölderlin case seems more interesting, to me at least.
All the very best to all,
cass.
George Stickel
Southern Polytechnic State University
Cell: 404-388-7162
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