Re: [peirce-l] Peirce and Hölderlin

[gstickel]

Jerry, can you expand on the idea of the logic of electricity & role in valence, etc. that Peirce missed--I'm getting back into Peirce and so missed this particular connection

Thanks

George

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From: Jerry LR Chandler
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List, Stefan:

With regard to the Peirce - Holderlin potential relationships, and the connection among Hegel, Schelling and Holderlin, see:

"The Romantic Conception of Life" by Richard J. Roberts, UC Press.

Robert discusses at considerable length the relationships of the three roommates from Baden-Wurtenburg and the sad fate of Holderin.

In general, it appears to me, that Peirce eventually rejected Kantianism and the Romantics in favor of his self-developed view logic.  When Peirce failed to incorporate the Anaximander / Schelling view of polar opposites, he shot himself in the foot.  The unintended consequence was that he failed to grasp the logic of electricity in its role in valence and molecule structures of chemistry and in its extension to life itself. 

Cheers

Jerry

On Sep 4, 2011, at 3:06 PM, Stefan Berwing wrote:

Cassiano, George, Ben, Jay,

maybe there is a indirect connection to Hölderlin. Schelling, Hegel and Hölderlin were close friends when they studied together at the Tübinger Stift. As far as i know they even were room mates (can't find the reference).

Although Hölderlin wrote the poem at the end of his life, the idea could be even older and the three could have shared it somehow (e.g."Das älteste Systemprogramm des deutschen Idealismus". A text fragment whose authorship is open. It is handwritten by Hegel, but the authorship can also belong to Schelling or Hölderlin¹). So possible traces to follow are also Peirce-Hegel-Hölderlin or Peirce-Schelling-Hölderlin.

Best
Stefan

P.S.: "Outland" seems to me the best translation of "Fremde".

¹ http://books.google.de/books?id=s2_nzshEVUcC&pg=PA476&lpg=PA476&dq=Das+%C3%A4lteste+Systemprogramm+des+deutschen+Idealismus&source=bl&ots=a021IdBW2E&sig=acJ0nORf-aHobgnFqbi-xem31dQ&hl=de&ei=mshjTvm0A4KP4gTE972SCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q&f=false

I would be very surprised if Peirce were not at least
somewhat familiar with Hölderlin. Hölderlin was a major
19th century poet, and Peirce was steeped in German
literature. I imagine he read German as fluently as
English, having read Kant in German as a teenager.

Jay



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I've not found anything in a bit of a cursory search
George
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Hello list:

Does anyone know whether Peirce knew anything by Friedrich Hölderlin?
I'm thinking specifically about Hölderlins poem called Mnemosyne, where the image of man as sign appears. I found this link to the poem:

http://publish.uwo.ca/~rparke3/documents/mnemosynedrafttrans.pdf

And also this quote from Hegel's Phenomenology of Spirit (I couldn't make sure yet whether or not it's from "The Death of Empedocles"/ "Der Tod des Empedokles", by Hölderlin):
"Der Pathos des Sängers ist nicht die betäubende Naturmacht, sondern die Mnemosyne, die Besinnung und gewordeneInnerlichkeit, die Erinnerung des unmittelbaren Wesens." (sorry, I can't translate that into English and couldn't find the translation online, but it's from the Phenomenology of Spirit, VII.B.c: The Spiritual Work of Art).  This quote seems to indicate to the same general philosophical point as CSP does in his 1868 papers on cognition: the impossibility of an imediate knowledge. Anyway, just a point of historical curiosity; but the Hölderlin case seems more interesting, to me at least.
All the very best to all,
cass.

George Stickel
Southern Polytechnic State University
Cell: 404-388-7162

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