Greetings Economists,
An interesting Thread.
On Apr 11, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Marv Gandall wrote:
In fact, anyone insisting on "making OPEN BORDERS a primary
principle" of
the struggle for power being waged by the left would almost
certainly be
accused of diverting it and isolated.
Doyle;
Open borders is not something I'd put on the back burner. Though the
slogan Open Borders is more or less not the way I'd express the
issue. Cheap immigrant labor from Latin America brings along with it
a left substance missing in U.S. workers. So open borders does have a
lot of traction.
On Apr 11, 2009, at 4:00 AM, Marv Gandall wrote:
Because of class, race, regional, historical and other factors, a more
intense economic and social crisis in the US would see many Democrats,
concentrated in the major urban centres, moving to the left while
small town
and rural Republicans moved right, with a greater potential for violent
clashes between their organizations.
Doyle;
Class pressure is building in suburbia. Inner city workers have been
dispersed into the suburbs for decades. That includes African
Americans. Inner cities are often gentrified now. Whereas true
country towns are not much in terms of population. And less likely
because of distance issues to organize much of anything. The working
class feels a pressure based upon energy and housing to move toward
centers. Maybe not major city centers because concentrating there is
harder, but centers that could be re-built. The community forces by
which I mean how people approach creating cities might be kinds of
revolutionary forces. Re-asking the basic post WWII question of the
options of the 'good' life that suburbia promised.
How do we see work? How do we see going to work? How do we see
ethnic barriers? How do we organize? We have no major wars to shape
broad consciousness about social forces.
thanks,
Doyle Saylor
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