post hoc ergo propter hoc

On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:47 AM, David Shemano <[email protected]>wrote:

> The quote within a quote within a quote ends:  'What would New York be
> without slavery?'"
>
> Well, slavery ended in 1865.  According to Wikipedia, NYC's population
> went from 813k in 1860 to 1.2m in 1880 to 3.4m in 1900.  Any dispute that
> NYC did pretty well in the Gilded Age?  What am I to make of the fact that
> NYC really took and thrived after the end of slavery?
>
> David Shemano
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [email protected]] On Behalf Of Louis Proyect
> Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2013 11:06 AM
> To: Progressive Economics
> Subject: Re: [Pen-l] Capitalism and slavery
>
> On 3/31/13 1:59 PM, Jim Devine wrote:
> > The lack of economic connection between the North and South
>
> "In the years just before the Civil War, it was customary for
> anti-slavery writers and speakers to refer to New York City as 'the
> prolongation of the South' where 'ten thousand cords of interests are
> linked with the Southern Slaveholder.' If, by some magic, one of the
> countless visitors to the 'World of Tomorrow' had suddenly been
> transported back to the New York World's Fair of 1853, he would have had
> no difficulty in discovering the reasons for these remarks. Had he
> arrived in the city late in June or early in July, he would have noticed
> that the lobbies of the Astor, St. Nicholas, Fifth Avenue, St. Denis,
> Clarendon, and Metropolitan hotels were thronged with Southern merchants
> and planters. The pages of the morning and evening newspapers, he would
> have observed, were filled with advertisements addressed to these
> Southerners, urging them to visit this or that store, to inspect the
> latest assortments of dry goods, hardware, boots and shoes, and other
> types of merchandise...
>
>
> "Had the visitor remained in the city until September, he would have
> seen the daily departures of packets for the South, burdened with huge
> cargoes of dry goods, boots and shoes, hardware, clothing, liquors and
> even fruits, butter, and cheese. The same vessels, he would have
> noticed, soon returned to New York, this time loaded with cotton,
> tobacco, tar, resin, turpentine, wheat, pork and molasses. By the time
> our visitor was ready to return to the Twentieth Century, he should have
> been quite ready to agree that New York was 'almost as dependent upon
> Southern slavery as Charleston itself.' Perhaps he might even have
> agreed with James Dunmore De Bow, who said in reply to a query by the
> London Times, asking, 'What would New York be without slavery?'"
>
> --Philip Foner, "Business and Slavery: The New York Merchants and the
> Irrepressible Conflict"
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Tom Walker (Sandwichman)
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