Grr.  Corrected paragraph (note ***):

What I guess confuses people is that Marx says, distinguish between
use value and value.  Value is a social form.  There's not an atom of
use value in it.  Value (with its mystical cloaks and illusions,
market prices, rents, profits, etc.) is all *social*.  It is a *form*.
 The *content* of that form, on the other hand, is *material*.  The
proportions that appear as values, prices, etc. are determined by the
proportions in which these goods are useful to us.  The usefulness of
goods is a *material* thing.  The what of these proportions, the
"substance" that goes into them is -- ultimately -- our socialized
labor, which is the flow of the productive forces of our labor. But,
wait, didn't Marx said that value had nothing to do with ***use*** value?  No,
no.  Marx says that the value *form* does not have to do with ***use*** value.
Nowhere did Marx say that specific values (proportions of SNLT) have
nothing to do with use value.  On the contrary, he said exactly the
opposite.
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