On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 05:53:54PM -0700, Jeff Janes wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 4:33 PM, Tom Lane <t...@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
> > Jeff Janes <jeff.ja...@gmail.com> writes:
> >> To summarize the behavior change:
> >> In the released code, an inserting backend that violates the pending
> >> list limit will try to clean the list, even if it is already being
> >> cleaned. It won't accomplish anything useful, but will go through the
> >> motions until eventually it runs into a page the lead cleaner has
> >> deleted, at which point it realizes there is another cleaner and it
> >> stops. This acts as a natural throttle to how fast insertions can
> >> take place into an over-sized pending list.
> > Right.
> >> The proposed change removes that throttle, so that inserters will
> >> immediately see there is already a cleaner and just go back about
> >> their business. Due to that, unthrottled backends could add to the
> >> pending list faster than the cleaner can clean it, leading to
> >> unbounded growth in the pending list and could cause a user backend to
> >> becoming apparently unresponsive to the user, indefinitely. That is
> >> scary to backpatch.
> > It's scary to put into HEAD, either. What if we simply don't take
> > that specific behavioral change? It doesn't seem like this is an
> > essential part of fixing the bug as you described it. (Though I've
> > not read the patch, so maybe I'm just missing the connection.)
> There are only 3 fundamental options I see, the cleaner can wait,
> "help", or move on.
> "Helping" is what it does now and is dangerous.
> Moving on gives the above-discussed unthrottling problem.
> Waiting has two problems. The act of waiting will cause autovacuums
> to be canceled, unless ugly hacks are deployed to prevent that. If
> we deploy those ugly hacks, then we have the problem that a user
> backend will end up waiting on an autovacuum to finish the cleaning,
> and the autovacuum is taking its sweet time due to
Teodor, this thread has been quiet for four days, and the deadline to fix this
open item expired 23 hours ago. Do you have a new plan for fixing it?
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