Bad math, the correct is 35.000 word are:
*I repeat 100 UPBE BOOKS !!!!! * On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 11:49 AM Dimitris Chloupis <kilon.al...@gmail.com> wrote: > Since I am the mainn maintainer of UPBE and pretty much alone, I will have > to disagree, I have expressed my dislike for GT tools in the past, I was > quite vocal about my dislike about GTPlayground and especially the pages > interface of GTInspector. > > Yet even though I am the one that usually ends up keep pushing UPBE > forward the most, I never said dont include this GT tool because I will > have to document it. > > As a matter of fact GT people are the rare breed of pharoers , close to > extinction level, that bothers documenting its own tools making my job > super easy and a matter of porting their blog posts to Pillar. > > Also its important to note here that our dear beloved debugger is decades > old, maybe just maybe its time to try something new even if we dont like > it. > > Afterall GT people were quick to adress my problems of Playground like the > lack of copy paste in right click menu, the lack of tabs etc. We objected > and criticised, they improved . End of story. None complains about the > Playground anymore. > > Its also important to note that they constantly pushing pharo forward. > > On the matters of documentation I will accept zero excuses from this > community. If one spent 10 minutes per week, I repeat 10 minutes per week, > on contributing to UPBE we would have the following > > 1) a person even a slow typer, types at least 40 words per minute > 2) in 10 minutes one can type 400 words > 3) That is one page of UPBE (pdf version) in 10 minutes > 4) thats 50 pages per year per person > 5) if people who are experienced are at least 10, I think we can find 10 > people who understand pharo deeply , thats 500 pages per year > > we end up with the conclusion that the UPBE with extremely limited effort > and extremely low amount of people would have by now the last 7 years that > Pharo is around , 3500 pages of documentation. > > But since 10 people is too few and there a lot more judging from the > mailing list , I will say 100 people is more realistic which means 35.000 > pages or to put it more in perspective , thats the total of 10 UPBE books > > > > > *I repeat 10 UPBE BOOKS !!!!! * > So no no no and NO dont exclude the new debugger because of the effort to > document, I respect Stef he and Damien are the ones responsible for the > existenve of UPBE and PBE in the first place, they also helped me alot with > Dimitri to port many chapters to pharo 4. Plus I love Pillar for > documentation its awesome even with its flaws. > > > But I say that GT people earned my trust, my trust that the have desire > and visions to push Pharo forward and I say let them put the Debugger in > who is going to hurt , it can be disabled and bring back the old one. Same > story with Playground but seriously who bring back the old workspace ? > > Let them take the criticism and improve the new debugger, its a new thing > of course it will have its flaws. But I dont want a Pharo that works well, > I want a Pharo that keeps going forward. > > I have not the opportunity to download a new image because of my lack my > connection is down and I use my mobile connection to do the minimum because > it costs too much. > > But even if I heavily dislike the debugger like I did the the Playground I > know that GT people will listen and will improve it, for that I have zero > doubts because I admire their efforts even when I disagree with them. > > > > On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 4:19 AM Ben Coman <b...@openinworld.com> wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 4:22 AM, stepharo <steph...@free.fr> wrote: >> > I'm sorry but this debugger should not be the default one. >> > MONDAY we are filming our mooc and we have to explain the debugger and >> > personally I do not see the gain: >> > - It looks a lot more complex to me and I do not want to have to >> redo >> > all the screenshots >> > of our lecture. >> > - Just that I have to learn the meaning of small icons. >> > - Why do we need a special pane for the evaluator >> > - Why there is a type column. >> > - Sorry but I'm not convinced about the moldable aspect behind the >> story >> > (no need to argue I know it) >> >> This also applies to UPBE. It would be good to get that out the door >> matching Pharo 5 without too much rework. >> >> cheers -ben >> >> >> > I would like to avoid to be forced to use not the latest version of >> Pharo >> > for the mooc. >> > >> > Such changes are arriving far too late in the release. We do not change >> the >> > debugger itself the day of code freeze. >> > >> > We decided that the GTDebugger can be included but to me it never meant >> that >> > it should be the default one. >> > I think that experts can choose the debugger they want. The newbies >> don't. >> > >> > Stef >> > >> > >> >>
