Hi nevin
our goal is not predominancy :) It was never. I would be happy that
squeak offers a really good multimedia
platform. Our goal is to deliver good open source smalltalk.
Our goal is to get agile, rethink the system, use good software
engineering practices (systematic smallLnt rules),
tests....
We want to propose/accept/evaluate new solutions:
first class package,
first class instance variables, better refactoring support,
may be modules, security, new compiler....
Smalltalk deserves a clean and powerful implementation and
we will work on that hard.
Stef
PS: you can forward this answer to squeak-dev if you feel the need.
On Jul 6, 2009, at 3:17 AM, Nevin Pratt wrote:
> There's no right or wrong answer to the following three questions.
> And,
> every response is meaningful, because it helps reveal the general
> sense
> of direction that the community is feeling.
>
> ***********************
> Question #1: Of the various Squeak forks (such as Croquet, Pharo,
> etc.),
> what is your feeling of their relative popularities at this point in
> time, and how does that compare with the current popularity of the
> base
> Squeak distribution?
>
> Question #2: This is related to the above-- what is your feeling of
> the
> relative popularity *trend* of each of the forks, and how does that
> compare with your feeling of the *trend* of the future popularity of
> the
> base Squeak distribution?
>
> Question #3: What is your justification for your answers to the above
> two questions?
> ************************
>
> I'll begin with my own answers...
>
> ...I'm beginning to feel like the Pharo fork currently now has maybe
> 50%
> or more of the popularity of the base Squeak distro, and I'm beginning
> to feel like Pharo is headed to become the dominant distribution in
> the
> future, surpassing the original Squeak distro. And I base that
> feeling
> on several observations:
>
> 1. The email traffic comparison on the "Pharo-project" email list
> compared to the email traffic on "The general-purpose Squeak
> developers
> list", and the observed trend in such traffic.
>
> 2. The number of developers posting on the Pharo-project email list.
>
> 3. The specific developers posting on the Pharo-project email list
> (known Squeakers who have contributed heavily to Squeak in the past).
>
> 4. The fact that Seaside development has moved to Pharo.
>
> At one time I wondered if Croquet would become the dominant Squeak
> fork,
> for the simple reason that it had a business organization "officially"
> supporting it, similar to what Squeak had in the Disney days. But
> now I
> think I would bet my money on Pharo.
>
> What do you think? And why?
>
> Also, remember, there's certainly nothing wrong with several
> "dominant"
> forks existing. But of those, one of them will still be the most
> popular overall. And I'm curious about thoughts of which one that is,
> and which one that will become, and why you think so.
>
> Nevin
>
>
>
>
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