On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:46 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:

> It continues taking longer 15 seconds on 1.1 too, there isn't change. I will 
> try to compare with Squeak looking for the possible problem and its solution.
> 
> nobody has the same problem?

No and this is strange because 1.1 got a lot of the stream changes that made 
squeak faster.

> 
> Thank you,
> Facu
> 
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Stéphane Ducasse <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> On Apr 12, 2010, at 10:18 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> 
> > Stef,
> > I'm using Pharo 1.0 RC2 with Seaside 2.8.4 and all is fine but it took over 
> > 15 seconds open a smalltalk debugger from a Seaside wallback. It was the 
> > reason of my first mail.
> > I tried with Squeak 4.1 RC4, to discard a network configuration problem at 
> > operative system level, and i don't have the problem. It takes 1 second to 
> > open the debugger.
> > Then, Marcus ask to me if i had the same problem with 
> > "PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE", at that time I download it, installed 
> > Seaside and try again. To Install Seaside took to me over 20 minutes but I 
> > had been instaled it on Pharo 1.0 and was been fine.
> 
> ok so with 1.1 this is working?
> There were a **lot** of changes in 1.1. We will release shortly after 1.0 and 
> much much faster :)
> 
> > Is it more clear now ?. Please, sorry for my poor English.
> 
> Don;t worry. write simple sentences and we will understand you.
> >
> > Facu
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Stéphane Ducasse 
> > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > This is really strange. Can you describe your setup? Do you have an 
> > antivirus? And with Squeak you do not have that behavior?
> > We are loading larger code than seaside in Pharo and we do not have this 
> > problem.
> > So I would really like to understand. Could you post your image somewhere?
> >
> > Stef
> >
> > On Apr 12, 2010, at 9:27 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> >
> > > Stef,
> > > It took to me over 20 minutes to complete the Seaside 2.8 installation 
> > > and when I interrupted it the debugger opened when the system was 
> > > writting the pharoXXX.changes always but I couldn't check what is 
> > > happening.
> > >
> > > I will check it again.
> > >
> > > Facu
> > >
> > > ps: I refered to pharoXXX.changes as "log" because of Visual Smalltalk 
> > > where the "changes" are called changes.log, excuse me.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 3:05 PM, Stéphane Ducasse 
> > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 7:45 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> > >
> > > > Marcus,
> > > > I can't install Seaside on Pharo 1.1(*) but then i'll try again at home.
> > > >
> > > > It isn't my point to compare Pharo to Squeak performance but I used 
> > > > Squeak to test this particular situation.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you,
> > > >
> > > > Facu
> > > >
> > > > (*) it's very slow to write the log taking minutes to complete the 
> > > > instalation
> > >
> > > which log?
> > >
> > > Stef
> > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Marcus Denker 
> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:41 PM, Marcus Denker wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Apr 12, 2010, at 5:37 PM, Facundo Vozzi wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Lukas,
> > > > >> It happens on my machine with Windows/(Firefox-Chrome-IE 8) and 
> > > > >> Pharo.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> But I test it on the same machine with Squeak 4.1 RC4 and it go very 
> > > > >> very fast
> > > > >> to open de smalltalk debugger.
> > > > >> Furthermore, Squeak 4.1 RC4 seem to be faster than Pharo, did you 
> > > > >> note that too or it's only my sensations?
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you check with Pharo 1.1?
> > > > >
> > > > >       
> > > > > https://gforge.inria.fr/frs/download.php/26762/PharoCore-1.1-11301-UNSTABLE.1.zip
> > > > >
> > > > > In general, Squeak 4.1 should not be compared to Pharo 1.0 
> > > > > speed-wise, but Pharo 1.1
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > My theory for your bug is that it's this:
> > > >
> > > >        http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=860
> > > >
> > > > We added it to 1.1 on Nov. 01, 2009. Not to 1.0, because 1.0 was 
> > > > supposed to be released
> > > > "very soon".
> > > >
> > > >        Marcus
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Marcus Denker  -- http://www.marcusdenker.de
> > > > INRIA Lille -- Nord Europe. Team RMoD.
> > > >
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