the new icon set is really wonderful. THANKS! On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Igor Stasenko <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 24 April 2012 14:54, Norbert Hartl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > Am 24.04.2012 um 14:37 schrieb Igor Stasenko: > > > > On 24 April 2012 14:13, Norbert Hartl <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > Am 24.04.2012 um 14:06 schrieb Esteban Lorenzano: > > > > > > but, Norbert, I don't see the point. In a server you will not have (or > > *should* not have) a display... so rendering time, etc. is non an issue, > > because it will not be any... or I'm missing something? > > > > > > I think most people using pharo on the server are using VNC to maintain > > them. I do that,too, in lack of a better tool. So in this case there is > a > > display and there are icons. Rendering is not an issue as long as you > > suspend to UI thread until you need it. > > > > So, let me just repeat > > > > > > ...new icons.... cool! > > > > ...svg icons.....cool! > > > > ...removable icons...cool! > > > > > > That's basically all I wanted to say. > > > > > > > > and this is not preventing an operating systems from having even more > > rich graphics and still use remote desktop connections? > > i don't share your concerns.. because we're talking about different > > terms of use. > > for desktop applications we need a modern rich graphics and eye candy. > > this not a question. > > > > for servers you can live perfectly with command-line tools only, and > > pharoers also working in that direction.. > > so it is not an exclusive choice where you should pick between one > > over another. > > you can have both: minimal memory footprint on server(s) and decent > > graphics on desktop. i am talking about modular system, where you can > > (un)load modules at your please, and we're moving towards it. > > > > > > Igor, > > > > I didn't say there should be one approach and that you need to choose. I > > tried to make explicit that having options is a good thing. And that > > includes the joy of using a commandline for a server or not. You have no > > reason to decide for everyone that they should live with commandline > tools > > on the server. > > I was talking about the near future and you reach far more off. Of > course I > > like to have a tiny pharo image running on a server that lets me connect > > from my development image and lets me debug/inspect everything from > remote > > where everything is either SVG or opengl. But I don't expect that to > happen > > tomorrow or the day after. There is a need for short term solution. Or > to > > make fun of a quote > > > > Don't obscure my reality with your future > > > > no, i don't want to put you into a cage. > my post was primarily to advertise some of my work :) > > > one of the problems with graphics, is that if you working with bitmap > format(s), > like icon sets or fonts, you always have to keep multiple resolutions > for them.. > for different DPI and different themes. > With vector graphics this is obviously not an issue. > And i making SVG importer mainly to open a rich vector graphics world to > pharo. > So, you can create graphics using editors like inkscape or other , and > then just put it into your image. > And i didn't said that you cannot use bitmaps as endpoint format, > while using SVG as a source.. > so in case if you want to render different resolution bitmaps you can > always reproduce them > in a couple of minutes.. > > > Norbert > > > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >
