>> Being told so many times.. People still keep missing the point. >> Smalltalk is not just source code it is environment of live objects. >> Good luck manipulating live objects in emacs. > > Please show me a live object in a Browser. Please. No, not a textual > representation of a computation. Oh, that's right, you are STILL > writing source code prior to compiling. Fail. > >> It is , of course up to you, If you prefer to code in stone age. >> I, personally cannot code outside image, without browser , debugger and >> such.. > > That's a strawman. I WANT a debugger, I WANT inspectors. I also WANT a > proper top level syntax and the ability to use the thousands of tools > that everyone else in the WHOLE WORLD takes for granted. OK, I've > exceeded my capital letter quota for the day. (Also, clearly you've > never used SLIME. I know this because SLIME lets you do everything you > could want to, because it queries a real live running system to get > its information. And guess how the Lispers store their source code? In > text files, in git.
shhh, that are no objects! how dare you storing smalltalk in git! > I have seen zero reason in my, er, 13 years of Smalltalk, why we > shouldn't enter source code in a proper text editor, with source > properly stored in files on a disk. Yes, I want to live inside a > running system as much as possible - not all the time, not being > forced to do so because we lack the tools - but as much as possible. > But source code is not a live object, it is text. And text should be > munged by text tools, and stored in text files, and kept in a > text-friendly source control system. but, but we have the fancied multi-media development environment. Plus we feature the greatest text editor with shortcuts only 1% of the developers know. > What else do you think bootstrapping is all about? It's taking some > tiny system, and making a recipe to lift that bootstrap, and that > recipe is not a living object, it is a specification, and it's written > in text. > > Smalltalk is wonderful, and the reason I still hack in it is because I > can find nothing else that comes close to its sense of aliveness and > engagement, and I nearly cry when I see the community reject things > because of some strange ideology with the result that we end up lost > in the dark. > Anyway. When I have something to show, I'll talk more on this topic. please!!
