On 30 November 2012 22:17, ☈king <[email protected]> wrote: > On 11/30/2012 12:13 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> well, what you explaining here is not just about handling keyboard >> typing, but also >> requires changes in UI (showing command line, black & white color >> scheme, 80x25 text mode ;) ) etc.. > > I know you're joking, but limiting one's self to 80 columns is generally > a good way to maximize screen space. Step back and look at code that > runs with really long lines, and you'll see a vast emptiness on most lines. > yeah yeah. I can even remember that Bill Gates once said that 640kb of RAM is more than enough for any application.
and, btw do you know that color of a blue sky is bad for your sight? :) >> i think, if vi would contest for "best obscure editor", i guess it >> would get 1st prize. i don't really care why you like it , just can you >> (or someone else) explain me, why you think it is best possible way of >> doing things? Since i can't see it. > > Monkey-bopping not a compelling argument? > In that sense, a software which works is the only compelling argument to me :) But since i knowing a bit about VI style of text editing, what you propose is not quite compelling to me. Once i tried hard to become 'pro' vi user and tried to remember all its commands/shortcuts.. but failed miserably after a while.. It looks like i am too spoiled by modeless text editors.. and nothing can change my brain patterns. Because the very first text editor for coding, which i was using around '86 was like hundred times more convenient comparing to what i seen in vim once first time i tried to learn it around 2000's. > I mean, the goal is to make a fluid interface. > The subtitle of one of > the vim books is "Edit at the Speed of Thought". That's the key thing. i am quite happy with the speed at which i editing right now. :) besides 'fluid interface' is too vague, and adding 'vi' label to it sounds even more fuzzy to me. What i understand that you want to see/make certain improvements in Pharo. And i appreciate that. > When I'm coding with vi keys, the text just goes where I want it, and > quickly, with very little stopping to think about it. > same here, except that i don't use vi keys :) >> What exactly commands/shortcuts you wanna have there? >> And wouldn't it be better to focus UI design towards avoiding the need >> for shortcuts/modes alltogether? > > Possibly. I'll think about that. > >> After all, you can run vi/emacs/<put your favorite> in separate window, >> and can always copy-paste text between, and enjoy your lovely keyboard >> shortcuts. > > This is something that Pentadactyl (a amazing Firefox plugin that makes > the browser vim-like) does. You can hit Ctrl+i on any text field, and it > pops up a gvim window with that text. Perhaps something like this is > sufficient. > > We'll see. My problem right now is that I have dozens of projects that > steal my free time from getting into Smalltalk, but I'll fix that as > soon as I can. > > —☈ > > -- Best regards, Igor Stasenko.
