Offray is right. And no, I was not referring to you but in general :) Esteban
> On 19 Sep 2019, at 15:32, PBKResearch <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk> wrote: > > Offray > > You may be right, though I don’t think so. But ‘You have been warned’ was > aimed at me; I’m sure of that. > > Peter Kenny > > From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Offray > Vladimir Luna Cárdenas > Sent: 19 September 2019 14:26 > To: pharo-users@lists.pharo.org > Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct > > Peter, > I think that the comment was referred to the comment made on the PR (not on > this list) that was insulting Serge (which I will not repeat). It has been > deleted now and only Stephan's response remains[1]. As you can see is > addressing someone different, who has no contributions and no name and seemed > to create the account just to insult and you can see by his/her empty account > without any info and any contributions[2]. > > [1] https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637#issuecomment-532815478 > <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637#issuecomment-532815478> > [2] https://github.com/eleitl <https://github.com/eleitl> > So, in my interpretation, Stephan's comment was referred to the user at [2] > and Esteban warning was referred to the closing of the issue because of it, > so the "you" in the warning was not the singular "you", but the plural one. > Because conversation has been split in two places, these mistakes can be > done. I think that you raised a valid concern in a civilized manner, are a > recognized member of the community and did not insulted Serge, so the > comments were not addressing you. > This can be a very sensible approach, as the discussion on the list so far > have shown, so the more clarity we can have to elevate the conversation and > be respectful with the participants, the better. > Cheers, > Offray > On 19/09/19 8:02 a. m., PBKResearch wrote: >> I think the comments about “someone that has no name, no repositories, not >> anything that makes you think is a real member of the community or just a >> troll” are directed at me. My e-mail address is based on the trading name I >> used at the time I was doing consulting work; my actual name is Peter Kenny, >> and I use it to sign everything I post in this forum. I have no >> repositories, because the only code I write is of no general interest. As a >> member of the community, I was invited by Stephane Ducasse to work up a post >> I had written to help someone into a pamphlet on web scraping; I think that >> is still available in Pharo publications. So I am not a troll; I am an >> elderly but still active user of Pharo, and concerned about developments. >> There is an English saying about pots and kettles, which Mr Lorenzano might >> consider before making personal attacks on me. >> >> I did not say anything insulting about Serge Stinckwich. I asked whether he >> acted with authority when he posted the code, because I genuinely don’t know >> what official position he has in the Pharo world. I still don’t know whether >> the code is in effect as a result of being posted. >> >> ‘You have been warned’ seems like a threat. I do not like being threatened. >> If comments here, which are relevant to the topic and expressed in moderate >> language, are no longer welcome, I shall absent myself without waiting to be >> banned. >> >> Peter Kenny >> >> From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org> >> <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org> On Behalf Of Esteban Lorenzano >> Sent: 19 September 2019 12:49 >> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> >> <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org> >> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] Code of Conduct >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 19 Sep 2019, at 12:22, PBKResearch <pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk >>> <mailto:pe...@pbkresearch.co.uk>> wrote: >>> >>> I don’t think this conversation can be closed while things are in the >>> present unclear situation. The github entry at >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md >>> <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/blob/Pharo8.0/CODE_OF_CONDUCT.md> >>> is still there, and has been there since last May. The github discussion on >>> https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637 >>> <https://github.com/pharo-project/pharo/pull/4637> was abruptly closed by >>> Stephane Ducasse, after some intemperate comments about Serge Stinckwich. >> >> Yes it can be closed. >> As we will close ANY thread/issue/PR that directly insults one of the >> members of the community. >> Even more important: We can close it if thread has been highjacked by >> someone that has no name, no repositories, not anything that makes you think >> is a real member of the community or just a troll. >> >> Members can do things right or wrong, as they are human beings. But emitting >> opinions in the way they were emitted about what they did is a no-go. >> >> So yes, you can discuss anything you want. >> But I personally will moderate any thread that does not discusses things in >> a civilised way. >> >> So you have been warned :) >> >> Esteban >> >> PS: I will also remember you that the purpose of this community is to make >> Pharo a great development environment. >> And we are all here because we all pursue that. >> We create a software that is open source and wants to have some social >> value added. >> >>> This is therefore the only place questions can be asked. >>> >>> We now know that Serge posted the Code without prior discussion with the >>> board. Did he have authority to do this on behalf of the Pharo community? >>> Does the fact that he did so mean it is officially adopted by the community >>> – not just for this mailing list, but for all Pharo activities? If Serge >>> did not have authority, shouldn’t it just be removed, at least until the >>> board have discussed it? >>> >>> The PR mentioned above was a proposal by James Foster that, if we need a >>> code of conduct, it should be the ACM code. The PR has now been closed. >>> Does that mean that James’s proposal has been rejected? If so, why? >>> >>> If the conversation is closed now, that means that we are tacitly accepting >>> that the code is there and in force, and also tacitly accepting how it got >>> there. What is necessary is for the board collectively, or someone >>> representing the board, to tell us what the situation is and what is going >>> to happen next – preferably with justifications. >>> >>> Peter Kenny >>> >>> From: Pharo-users <pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org >>> <mailto:pharo-users-boun...@lists.pharo.org>> On Behalf Of Steve Quezadas >>> Sent: 19 September 2019 03:35 >>> To: Any question about pharo is welcome <pharo-users@lists.pharo.org >>> <mailto:pharo-users@lists.pharo.org>> >>> Subject: Re: [Pharo-users] R: Code of Conduct >>> >>> Yeah, I agree. Why is this even here? The thing I like about this maillist >>> is that its very community oriented and everyone here helps each other. >>> It's devoid of all the political-soapbox nonsense that I would find on, >>> say, facebook. Which is why I don't deal with that platform anymore. >>> >>> And most of this is common sense anyway. Yeah, don't harass people and make >>> fun of them or whatever, Like most people on this list doesn't already know >>> that. Im very vocal about certain political and social opinions, am not >>> ashamed about my opinions, am open about it, is currently "unpopular" but >>> don't discuss them here because it's offtopic and I don't want to piss off >>> people in any event. I don't want it turning into another facebook >>> basically. >>> >>> I think we should all close this conversation, it's offtopic and not >>> relevant to any problems this list has in any meaningful way. >>> >>> - Steve >>> >>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2019 at 1:07 PM Kasper Østerbye <kasper.oster...@gmail.com >>> <mailto:kasper.oster...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> When I read the Code of conduct which is part of Pharo, my reaction was >>>> "OK, I don't expect to run into trouble over that one, so no worries". >>>> >>>> After having read the discussion here I would rather it was not there. >>>> >>>> -- Kasper >>>> >> >>
