C'mon......... Anyone with knowledge of phono prices wouldn't pay $1000.+ for a VV-IX. Unless it was Eldridge's personal machine!
As far as nice guys, we all are, aren't we? -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Vince C." <[email protected]> > He actually deals in phonographs on the side. He is a very nice guy. As > for if there were shilling in the auction who knows. > > I once watched an oak upright 11 sell for $1500 on Ebay. I listed one on > Ebay that was nicer the following week and it only hit $325. Sometimes is > just takes two nuts to run the price up. > > We constantly see price differences on Ebay. A beautiful Vic V with Spear > tip sold not too long ago for $4,000, while one just ended yesterday in the > same condition for only $3200. > > I would find it hard to believe that if someone shilled it they would > continue until they won something. I would guess they would shill it up to > the reserve and let the next bidder meet reserve. > > As for emailing the under bidders, especially when you are not the person > selling the original item. I can see why people would not answer the > emails. Too many scams going on these days. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bob" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:22 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > > > He does buy and sell a lot of phonographs. > > RMV > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mgraziano1" > > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:41 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > > > > >> If this was a shill auction, I'd be surprised. None of the bidders had > >> any > >> previous relation with the seller, unless it was more than 30 days ago, > >> and > >> the seller has a wide variety of interests including Van Halen, Fiats, > >> Vespa, and tons more. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Ron L'Herault [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 11:28 AM > >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> > >> Well, the seller and highest bidder are both in PA, I didn't bother to > >> see > >> how close though. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sat Jan 28 13:00:31 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... Message-ID: <012820062100.1100.43dbdb6f00004a3f0000044c22069997359f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net> BTW........... Does anyone here have AIM instant messaging or Yahoo instant messaging? It would be a good format to discuss issues, items for sale, etc. immediately. Bill (my AIM name is amberloa30) -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Vince C." <[email protected]> > I agree with both of you and have contacted under bidders as well when I > have the same item. But it seems that now they tend not to respond. > > Of course as of late, I get way more scam offers then I did a few years back > regarding ebay. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:19 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > > >I recently contacted a buyer who purchased a 2m cylinder "Come Take a Trip > >in My Airship." I happened to have the original box & lis for that record > >with an incorrect cylinder inside. I sent him some pix of said box with a > >price and he was more that happy to get an original lidded box. (He paid > >$104.00 for the damn record !) > > > > Bill > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Mgraziano1" > > > >> ...such as recourse IS on eBay (not if). > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Mgraziano1 [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:20 PM > >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> > >> I've offered similar items to second and third bidders of another seller, > >> but I always specify that I would list it at the agreed price and > >> buy-it-now, so that the buyer had recourse if something was amiss (such > >> as > >> recourse if on eBay). > >> > >> I've been successful in the past, however usually with Lionel train items > >> under $500. > >> > >> -Mike > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Vince C. [mailto:[email protected]] > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:51 PM > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> > >> He actually deals in phonographs on the side. He is a very nice guy. As > >> for if there were shilling in the auction who knows. > >> > >> I once watched an oak upright 11 sell for $1500 on Ebay. I listed one on > >> Ebay that was nicer the following week and it only hit $325. Sometimes is > >> just takes two nuts to run the price up. > >> > >> We constantly see price differences on Ebay. A beautiful Vic V with Spear > >> tip sold not too long ago for $4,000, while one just ended yesterday in > >> the > >> same condition for only $3200. > >> > >> I would find it hard to believe that if someone shilled it they would > >> continue until they won something. I would guess they would shill it up > >> to > >> the reserve and let the next bidder meet reserve. > >> > >> As for emailing the under bidders, especially when you are not the person > >> selling the original item. I can see why people would not answer the > >> emails. Too many scams going on these days. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "bob" > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:22 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> > >> > >> > He does buy and sell a lot of phonographs. > >> > RMV > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> > From: "Mgraziano1" > >> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > >> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:41 PM > >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> > > >> > > >> >> If this was a shill auction, I'd be surprised. None of the bidders had > >> >> any > >> >> previous relation with the seller, unless it was more than 30 days > >> >> ago, > >> >> and > >> >> the seller has a wide variety of interests including Van Halen, Fiats, > >> >> Vespa, and tons more. > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Ron L'Herault [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 11:28 AM > >> >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> >> > >> >> Well, the seller and highest bidder are both in PA, I didn't bother to > >> >> see > >> >> how close though. > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Phono-L mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > Phono-L Archive > >> > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sat Jan 28 13:29:52 2006 From: [email protected] (Vince C.) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... References: <012820062100.1100.43dbdb6f00004a3f0000044c22069997359f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net> Message-ID: <005601c62451$f96981b0$6601a...@dg86t661> I doubt very much that the buyer of this machine had any knowledge of phonographs. I have been at tons of auctions where the local yuppie couple thinks a phonograph would look great in their living room and grossly over pay for it. For that matter I have seen antique dealers (not phonograph dealers) grossly overpay at auctions. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > BTW........... > > Does anyone here have AIM instant messaging or Yahoo instant messaging? > It would be a good format to discuss issues, items for sale, etc. > immediately. > > Bill (my AIM name is amberloa30) > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Vince C." <[email protected]> > >> I agree with both of you and have contacted under bidders as well when I >> have the same item. But it seems that now they tend not to respond. >> >> Of course as of late, I get way more scam offers then I did a few years >> back >> regarding ebay. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:19 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... >> >> >> >I recently contacted a buyer who purchased a 2m cylinder "Come Take a >> >Trip >> >in My Airship." I happened to have the original box & lis for that >> >record >> >with an incorrect cylinder inside. I sent him some pix of said box with >> >a >> >price and he was more that happy to get an original lidded box. (He paid >> >$104.00 for the damn record !) >> > >> > Bill >> > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- >> > From: "Mgraziano1" >> > >> >> ...such as recourse IS on eBay (not if). >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Mgraziano1 [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:20 PM >> >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... >> >> >> >> I've offered similar items to second and third bidders of another >> >> seller, >> >> but I always specify that I would list it at the agreed price and >> >> buy-it-now, so that the buyer had recourse if something was amiss >> >> (such >> >> as >> >> recourse if on eBay). >> >> >> >> I've been successful in the past, however usually with Lionel train >> >> items >> >> under $500. >> >> >> >> -Mike >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> From: Vince C. [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:51 PM >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... >> >> >> >> He actually deals in phonographs on the side. He is a very nice guy. >> >> As >> >> for if there were shilling in the auction who knows. >> >> >> >> I once watched an oak upright 11 sell for $1500 on Ebay. I listed one >> >> on >> >> Ebay that was nicer the following week and it only hit $325. Sometimes >> >> is >> >> just takes two nuts to run the price up. >> >> >> >> We constantly see price differences on Ebay. A beautiful Vic V with >> >> Spear >> >> tip sold not too long ago for $4,000, while one just ended yesterday >> >> in >> >> the >> >> same condition for only $3200. >> >> >> >> I would find it hard to believe that if someone shilled it they would >> >> continue until they won something. I would guess they would shill it >> >> up >> >> to >> >> the reserve and let the next bidder meet reserve. >> >> >> >> As for emailing the under bidders, especially when you are not the >> >> person >> >> selling the original item. I can see why people would not answer the >> >> emails. Too many scams going on these days. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "bob" >> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:22 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... >> >> >> >> >> >> > He does buy and sell a lot of phonographs. >> >> > RMV >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Mgraziano1" >> >> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" >> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:41 PM >> >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> If this was a shill auction, I'd be surprised. None of the bidders >> >> >> had >> >> >> any >> >> >> previous relation with the seller, unless it was more than 30 days >> >> >> ago, >> >> >> and >> >> >> the seller has a wide variety of interests including Van Halen, >> >> >> Fiats, >> >> >> Vespa, and tons more. >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> >> >> From: Ron L'Herault [mailto:[email protected]] >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 11:28 AM >> >> >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, the seller and highest bidder are both in PA, I didn't bother >> >> >> to >> >> >> see >> >> >> how close though. >> >> > >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Phono-L mailing list >> >> > [email protected] >> >> > >> >> > Phono-L Archive >> >> > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> Phono-L Archive >> >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> Phono-L Archive >> >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> >> [email protected] >> >> >> >> Phono-L Archive >> >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Phono-L mailing list >> > [email protected] >> > >> > Phono-L Archive >> > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
