Then...........I guess I must sell at these same auctions! Hogwash.............................
-------------- Original message -------------- From: "Vince C." <[email protected]> > I doubt very much that the buyer of this machine had any knowledge of > phonographs. > > I have been at tons of auctions where the local yuppie couple thinks a > phonograph would look great in their living room and grossly over pay for > it. > > For that matter I have seen antique dealers (not phonograph dealers) grossly > overpay at auctions. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 4:00 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > > > BTW........... > > > > Does anyone here have AIM instant messaging or Yahoo instant messaging? > > It would be a good format to discuss issues, items for sale, etc. > > immediately. > > > > Bill (my AIM name is amberloa30) > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Vince C." > > > >> I agree with both of you and have contacted under bidders as well when I > >> have the same item. But it seems that now they tend not to respond. > >> > >> Of course as of late, I get way more scam offers then I did a few years > >> back > >> regarding ebay. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:19 PM > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> > >> > >> >I recently contacted a buyer who purchased a 2m cylinder "Come Take a > >> >Trip > >> >in My Airship." I happened to have the original box & lis for that > >> >record > >> >with an incorrect cylinder inside. I sent him some pix of said box with > >> >a > >> >price and he was more that happy to get an original lidded box. (He paid > >> >$104.00 for the damn record !) > >> > > >> > Bill > >> > > >> > -------------- Original message -------------- > >> > From: "Mgraziano1" > >> > > >> >> ...such as recourse IS on eBay (not if). > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Mgraziano1 [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:20 PM > >> >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> >> > >> >> I've offered similar items to second and third bidders of another > >> >> seller, > >> >> but I always specify that I would list it at the agreed price and > >> >> buy-it-now, so that the buyer had recourse if something was amiss > >> >> (such > >> >> as > >> >> recourse if on eBay). > >> >> > >> >> I've been successful in the past, however usually with Lionel train > >> >> items > >> >> under $500. > >> >> > >> >> -Mike > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: Vince C. [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:51 PM > >> >> To: Antique Phonograph List > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> >> > >> >> He actually deals in phonographs on the side. He is a very nice guy. > >> >> As > >> >> for if there were shilling in the auction who knows. > >> >> > >> >> I once watched an oak upright 11 sell for $1500 on Ebay. I listed one > >> >> on > >> >> Ebay that was nicer the following week and it only hit $325. Sometimes > >> >> is > >> >> just takes two nuts to run the price up. > >> >> > >> >> We constantly see price differences on Ebay. A beautiful Vic V with > >> >> Spear > >> >> tip sold not too long ago for $4,000, while one just ended yesterday > >> >> in > >> >> the > >> >> same condition for only $3200. > >> >> > >> >> I would find it hard to believe that if someone shilled it they would > >> >> continue until they won something. I would guess they would shill it > >> >> up > >> >> to > >> >> the reserve and let the next bidder meet reserve. > >> >> > >> >> As for emailing the under bidders, especially when you are not the > >> >> person > >> >> selling the original item. I can see why people would not answer the > >> >> emails. Too many scams going on these days. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "bob" > >> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:22 PM > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > He does buy and sell a lot of phonographs. > >> >> > RMV > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> > From: "Mgraziano1" > >> >> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > >> >> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:41 PM > >> >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> >> If this was a shill auction, I'd be surprised. None of the bidders > >> >> >> had > >> >> >> any > >> >> >> previous relation with the seller, unless it was more than 30 days > >> >> >> ago, > >> >> >> and > >> >> >> the seller has a wide variety of interests including Van Halen, > >> >> >> Fiats, > >> >> >> Vespa, and tons more. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> >> From: Ron L'Herault [mailto:[email protected]] > >> >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 11:28 AM > >> >> >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > >> >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Well, the seller and highest bidder are both in PA, I didn't bother > >> >> >> to > >> >> >> see > >> >> >> how close though. > >> >> > > >> >> > _______________________________________________ > >> >> > Phono-L mailing list > >> >> > [email protected] > >> >> > > >> >> > Phono-L Archive > >> >> > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Phono-L mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> Phono-L Archive > >> >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Phono-L mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> Phono-L Archive > >> >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Phono-L mailing list > >> >> [email protected] > >> >> > >> >> Phono-L Archive > >> >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Phono-L mailing list > >> > [email protected] > >> > > >> > Phono-L Archive > >> > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> [email protected] > >> > >> Phono-L Archive > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sat Jan 28 15:06:14 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... Message-ID: <012820062306.1061.43dbf8e5000c41e90000042522007348309f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net> My pardon...........it's Amberola30 Bill -------------- Original message -------------- From: [email protected] > BTW........... > > Does anyone here have AIM instant messaging or Yahoo instant messaging? > It would be a good format to discuss issues, items for sale, etc. > immediately. > > Bill (my AIM name is amberloa30) > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Vince C." > > > I agree with both of you and have contacted under bidders as well when I > > have the same item. But it seems that now they tend not to respond. > > > > Of course as of late, I get way more scam offers then I did a few years > > back > > regarding ebay. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 3:19 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > > > > > >I recently contacted a buyer who purchased a 2m cylinder "Come Take a Trip > > >in My Airship." I happened to have the original box & lis for that record > > >with an incorrect cylinder inside. I sent him some pix of said box with a > > >price and he was more that happy to get an original lidded box. (He paid > > >$104.00 for the damn record !) > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > > From: "Mgraziano1" > > > > > >> ...such as recourse IS on eBay (not if). > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Mgraziano1 [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:20 PM > > >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > >> > > >> I've offered similar items to second and third bidders of another > > >> seller, > > >> but I always specify that I would list it at the agreed price and > > >> buy-it-now, so that the buyer had recourse if something was amiss (such > > >> as > > >> recourse if on eBay). > > >> > > >> I've been successful in the past, however usually with Lionel train > > >> items > > >> under $500. > > >> > > >> -Mike > > >> > > >> -----Original Message----- > > >> From: Vince C. [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:51 PM > > >> To: Antique Phonograph List > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > >> > > >> He actually deals in phonographs on the side. He is a very nice guy. As > > >> for if there were shilling in the auction who knows. > > >> > > >> I once watched an oak upright 11 sell for $1500 on Ebay. I listed one on > > >> Ebay that was nicer the following week and it only hit $325. Sometimes > > >> is > > >> just takes two nuts to run the price up. > > >> > > >> We constantly see price differences on Ebay. A beautiful Vic V with > > >> Spear > > >> tip sold not too long ago for $4,000, while one just ended yesterday in > > >> the > > >> same condition for only $3200. > > >> > > >> I would find it hard to believe that if someone shilled it they would > > >> continue until they won something. I would guess they would shill it up > > >> to > > >> the reserve and let the next bidder meet reserve. > > >> > > >> As for emailing the under bidders, especially when you are not the > > >> person > > >> selling the original item. I can see why people would not answer the > > >> emails. Too many scams going on these days. > > >> > > >> > > >> ----- Original Message ----- > > >> From: "bob" > > >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" > > >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:22 PM > > >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > >> > > >> > > >> > He does buy and sell a lot of phonographs. > > >> > RMV > > >> > ----- Original Message ----- > > >> > From: "Mgraziano1" > > >> > To: "'Antique Phonograph List'" > > >> > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 12:41 PM > > >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > >> > > > >> > > > >> >> If this was a shill auction, I'd be surprised. None of the bidders > > >> >> had > > >> >> any > > >> >> previous relation with the seller, unless it was more than 30 days > > >> >> ago, > > >> >> and > > >> >> the seller has a wide variety of interests including Van Halen, > > >> >> Fiats, > > >> >> Vespa, and tons more. > > >> >> > > >> >> -----Original Message----- > > >> >> From: Ron L'Herault [mailto:[email protected]] > > >> >> Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 11:28 AM > > >> >> To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > > >> >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > >> >> > > >> >> Well, the seller and highest bidder are both in PA, I didn't bother > > >> >> to > > >> >> see > > >> >> how close though. > > >> > > > >> > _______________________________________________ > > >> > Phono-L mailing list > > >> > [email protected] > > >> > > > >> > Phono-L Archive > > >> > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> Phono-L Archive > > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> Phono-L Archive > > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> Phono-L mailing list > > >> [email protected] > > >> > > >> Phono-L Archive > > >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > [email protected] > > > > > > Phono-L Archive > > > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sat Jan 28 17:21:38 2006 From: [email protected] (bruce78rpm) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Come take a trip on my airship Message-ID: <003101c62472$5a833de0$6401a...@custom> I recently contacted a buyer who purchased a 2m cylinder "Come Take a Trip >in My Airship." I happened to have the original box & lis for that record >with an incorrect cylinder inside. I sent him some pix of said box with a >price and he was more that happy to get an original lidded box. (He paid >$104.00 for the damn record !) > > Bill Wow! $104 bucks for that cylinder? Could you tell us which version of that song it was? I have that selection by J.W. Myers on a Columbia 2 minute cylinder, but probably the Billy Murray version on Edison is more desirable? Not that I would ever sell this gem though. Bruce From [email protected] Sat Jan 28 18:38:23 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:12 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... Message-ID: <012920060238.11726.43dc2a9f000b2c6200002dce22058864429f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net> Bob, I never planned to get involved, as I already have one. My bitch is that these things get artificially inflated.The old axiom is, "the value is what a person is willing to pay". This is nonsense, as it makes it very hard to actually put a value on an item. Do we just put a machine out at a show with a blank tag? No, we don't. Let's put it this way..........if that machine really went for 1,000. Doesn't it stand to reason than subsequent machines go for that dollar amount? Victor manufactured 569,394 of these machines, one of their most common machines. Look at the buyer's feedback, not one machine or even a 78. I've seen this seller around for as long as I've been on Ebay. Big deal...he'll pay hundreds of dollars for a Diamond Disc that he wants. Is that record really worth it, then if you can buy it the next week for 20.00? Fluctuation in the several dollars range is normal.........but over $600.00 for a common machine? You'll never convince me. Bill -------------- Original message -------------- From: "bob" <[email protected]> > Bill, > If you check the seller's feedback you will see that he just purchased > another Victor IX, a nice early one with a closed base, in fairly nice > condition for $212. This guy is no dummy. He probably does use a shill but > what else is new. It happens at live auction too. There's no way to stop > it. All you can do is refuse to get involved when you suspect it. > RMV > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2006 1:40 AM > Subject: [Phono-L] I smell a rat..................... > > > >I have a very clean VV-IX that I was considering to put on Ebay. Usually, > >these machines demand $350.00 to $400.00(if you're lucky). I happened to > >run across this one during it's early stage of bidding. I was surprised by > >the rather high bidding, so I added it to my watch page to see where it > >would go. I nearly stroked out at the final price! > > I contacted the next two highest bidders several days later(yeah, I know, > > an Ebay no-no) to inquire as to whether they were interested in a machine > > in similar condition for their top bid. (c'mon, well all do it, or we > > aren't good capitalists!) Anyway, neither responded, and now it's over a > > month and neither buyer nor seller has given feedback. > > Does anyone here feel this is a prime example of "shill bidding?" I dunno, > > but this stinks in my opinion. > > > > Bill > > > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=6587005134&rd=1&sspagename=ST > > RK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1 > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > [email protected] > > > > Phono-L Archive > > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.21/236 - Release Date: 1/20/2006 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sat Jan 28 18:39:49 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:13 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Come take a trip on my airship Message-ID: <012920060239.13277.43dc2af50006f467000033dd22007374789f9a030a05020e9...@comcast.net> It was the Billy Murray version. Crazy, huh? Bill -------------- Original message -------------- From: "bruce78rpm" <[email protected]> > I recently contacted a buyer who purchased a 2m cylinder "Come Take a Trip > >in My Airship." I happened to have the original box & lis for that record > >with an incorrect cylinder inside. I sent him some pix of said box with a > >price and he was more that happy to get an original lidded box. (He paid > >$104.00 for the damn record !) > > > > Bill > > Wow! $104 bucks for that cylinder? Could you tell us which version of that > song > it was? I have that selection by J.W. Myers on a Columbia 2 minute cylinder, > but > probably the Billy Murray version on Edison is more desirable? Not that I > would > ever sell this gem though. > > Bruce > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sun Jan 29 09:05:00 2006 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:13 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Box of 4 minute cylinder records for sale Message-ID: <012920061705.18125.43dcf5bc000534a6000046cd220073407607090e059b0...@comcast.net> Dan, Thanks for the info. I was able to contact Jerry and purchase the lot. Thanks, Pat -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Daniel Melvin" <[email protected]> > Hi all, > > Jerry Blais asked me to post this for him. He is in transition between > computer > services and can't currently get e-mail and couldn't post this for himself. > He > said anyone that was interested could call him at 541-926-2843 Pacific time. > > He has access to a box of 35 4 minute cyliners all in boxes. He has not > picked > through them nor has any other collector. They are a complete collection as > found. The person he got them from wants to sell them as a group. Jerry is > asking $4 per cylinder. There is no list to include here, but Jerry said he > would be happy to take calls and read some of the titles to folks. It sounds > like there are good comedy and musical type cyliders. Such as Ada Jones and > Billy Murry and much more. > > Thanks > > Dan > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ From [email protected] Sun Jan 29 12:16:09 2006 From: [email protected] (Daniel Melvin) Date: Sun Dec 24 13:11:13 2006 Subject: [Phono-L] Box of 4 minute cylinder records for sale References: <012920061705.18125.43dcf5bc000534a6000046cd220073407607090e059b0...@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006001c62510$d8447f70$6601a...@danslaptop> Glad it worked out for you. I assume we'll see you at the Salem show, right? And at Jerry's on Saturday? Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Box of 4 minute cylinder records for sale > Dan, > Thanks for the info. I was able to contact Jerry and purchase the > lot. > > Thanks, > Pat > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Daniel Melvin" <[email protected]> > >> Hi all, >> >> Jerry Blais asked me to post this for him. He is in transition between >> computer >> services and can't currently get e-mail and couldn't post this for >> himself. He >> said anyone that was interested could call him at 541-926-2843 Pacific >> time. >> >> He has access to a box of 35 4 minute cyliners all in boxes. He has not >> picked >> through them nor has any other collector. They are a complete collection >> as >> found. The person he got them from wants to sell them as a group. Jerry >> is >> asking $4 per cylinder. There is no list to include here, but Jerry said >> he >> would be happy to take calls and read some of the titles to folks. It >> sounds >> like there are good comedy and musical type cyliders. Such as Ada Jones >> and >> Billy Murry and much more. >> >> Thanks >> >> Dan >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> [email protected] >> >> Phono-L Archive >> http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > [email protected] > > Phono-L Archive > http://www.oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/
