Several previous attempts have been made to horn in on the eBay business and 
they have all failed.  I 
do not think Google will fair any better than the last guy who tried.

I do not see how identifying a bidder as Bidder 1, Bidder 2 etc. will have any 
impact on the amount of 
shill bidding.  Only a complete idiot would assume that their actions were now 
"hidden" by the Bidder 
X label.

Rich


On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 15:47:13 -0500, [email protected] wrote:

>I agree completely.  It's very stupid and useless.  I find it helpful to see 
>exactly who is bidding, and this adds a certain amount of enjoyment to the 
>eBay "game."   If eBay wanted to eliminate a lot of problems, they could 
>simply do away with the "2nd chance offer".  Hiding the names of the bidders 
>will certainly increase the number of shill bidders.  The change is very ill 
>advised and one that eBay will certainly regret.  I have heard that Google 
>is considering getting into the auction business, and if they do then eBay 
>will be in real trouble.

>Ray

>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Daniel Melvin" <[email protected]>
>To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
>Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 3:11 PM
>Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay!


>> Well, for one; I try not to purposely bid against some of my other phono 
>> friends that live in my same town. It isn't that there is a problem 
>> bidding against someone you know, I just choose to not do it as a courtesy 
>> to my friends. This change eliminates that possibility. I also know who 
>> many of the real phono ebay users are. It makes me feel better when legit 
>> folks are bidding. And, I see no value to anyone in this change. It's 
>> stupid.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Rich" <[email protected]>
>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2007 10:48 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Protected Bidding on ebay!
>>
>>
>>> The bidder information is available to the seller.  It is ONLY converted 
>>> to Bidder 1 etc.  for the other
>>> bidders.
>>>
>>> I might be missing something here, so please clarify, if you would.  What 
>>> exactly does knowing the
>>> bidders actual eBay user IDs provide to you as regards "protection" that 
>>> Bidder 1 etc. does not?
>>>
>>> Rich
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote:
>>>
>>>>It seems to me that it will not do much good to discuss this only on
>>>>Phono-L.  You all need to state your displeasure to Ebay itself.  That
>>>>is not an easy task since Ebay makes it very difficult to send something
>>>>directly to them.  If anyone knows a good way to send them your comments
>>>>please share it with the rest of us.  I have commented on the new policy
>>>>on one of the chat boards but there is no way to know if Ebay pays much
>>>>attention to that.   I make heavy use of the bidder info to protect
>>>>myself as both a buyer and seller.  Ebay has shown themselves to be
>>>>incapable of  protecting the buyers and sellers from the abuses that
>>>>have been discussed here.  I believe the policy is purely profit based
>>>>and they could care less about the rest of us.  Unless they can
>>>>guarantee protection to buyers and sellers from the abuses that are
>>>>rampent on Ebay, then they should not remove about the only way we have
>>>>to protect ourselves.
>>>
>>>>Ken
>>>
>>>
>>>
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