I have seen a number of instances where I was able to determine a shill 
bidder (in this case I'll call them a ftiend of the seller) where they 
are bidding on items fron a particular seller.  It usually has nothing 
to do with the category of the item.  In won auction they are bidding on 
a phonograph item, in another they are bidding onb an expensive doll, in 
another they are bidding on a gernerator -- all from the same seller.  
The odds of this kind of interaction is extremely high.  I do this by 
researching the high several bidders in an auction that I'm interested 
in.  This is valuable to me indetermining whether to bid on a particular 
auction or on auctions from a particular seller.

If someone is using a friend to up the bids on there items, chances are 
they will not be on the same server and will not have the same IP.  
Seeing these relationships lets me sort these people out.

Another use that I use that information for is to track bidders that 
have similar interests to me.  I can track items they are bidding on.   
If they have found something that I also want, I'll bid on it.  Some may 
not like this , but it is an auction and everything is open to everyone 
equally.  In other cases seeing shat other bidders are bidding on  might 
lead me to a seller that lists items in a manner that I would not have 
found it. 

Ken


Rich wrote:

>The bidder information is available to the seller.  It is ONLY converted to 
>Bidder 1 etc.  for the other 
>bidders.
>
>I might be missing something here, so please clarify, if you would.  What 
>exactly does knowing the 
>bidders actual eBay user IDs provide to you as regards "protection" that 
>Bidder 1 etc. does not?
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>Rich
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>On Wed, 17 Jan 2007 13:25:07 -0500, Ken Danckaert wrote:
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>>It seems to me that it will not do much good to discuss this only on 
>>Phono-L.  You all need to state your displeasure to Ebay itself.  That 
>>is not an easy task since Ebay makes it very difficult to send something 
>>directly to them.  If anyone knows a good way to send them your comments 
>>please share it with the rest of us.  I have commented on the new policy 
>>on one of the chat boards but there is no way to know if Ebay pays much 
>>attention to that.   I make heavy use of the bidder info to protect 
>>myself as both a buyer and seller.  Ebay has shown themselves to be 
>>incapable of  protecting the buyers and sellers from the abuses that 
>>have been discussed here.  I believe the policy is purely profit based 
>>and they could care less about the rest of us.  Unless they can 
>>guarantee protection to buyers and sellers from the abuses that are 
>>rampent on Ebay, then they should not remove about the only way we have 
>>to protect ourselves.
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>>Ken
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