If you read the new eBay rules closely you will see there is a large class of sellers/merchandise that will be forced to accept PayPal or credit cards directly, regardless of their desires. When you add the PayPal fee to the ebay final value fees you end up with a cost to the seller of about 12% of the final price. That is quite a clip off of the top. Now if you are paying the federal, state, and local taxes like you are supposed to this just might send you out to get a real job, if you can wrest it away from the illegals....
Walt wrote: > eBay has owned 25% of Craigslist since August, 2004, supposedly with an > interest in the success of Craigslist in classified type listings. I just > can't imagine eBay remaining a minority shareholder in Craigslist forever. > > eBay's real crown is PayPal. I remember when x.com (which became PayPal.com) > was its own business entity. They attached themselves to eBay for obvious > reasons (including a means to facilitate skyrocketing credit card debt and > promote fraud at every level). Watch for PayPal to become part of the > Craigslist scheme - somehow - someway. > > Before x.com became PayPal and before it was owned by eBay, eBay was > characterized by a very skeletal infrastructure, not entirely unlike > Craigslist (has been made to appear) at present. Hint? > >>From eBay's perspective people moving to Craigslist in droves (which I > believe will happen to some extent) is just another way for their throbbing > PayPal heart to say, "Come to Papa". > > Walt > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Rich > Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 8:48 AM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion > > If an item is a local sale item and there is a local market for it then > Craigslist is the way to go. > > BruceY wrote: >> The whole thing sound looney to me. They are going to cut your fees on >> one end but more then make them up on the other, and then not allow you >> to trash a theiving, crazy, or fruicake type buyer? Sounds like some nut >> has taken over this organization!and put it on the road to destruction. >> I may just decide to sell all my stuff on craigslist. The last few times >> I have tried it, I got the price I was asking, the buyers were great, >> they came and picked the stuff up, and It didn't cost me a thing.!! >> >> Bruce >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion >> >> >>> wondered about this too. What is Ebays rationale for not allowing >>> sellers to leave negative feed back on buyers? can somebody comment? >>> Al Menashe >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Boyles" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion >>> >>> >>>> Looks like there is a big push back on the upcoming Ebay changes...... >>>> >>>> > http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/smbusiness/ebay_fee_hike.fsb/index.htm?postv > ersion=2008013116 >>>> >>>> It appears there is a orchestrated event asking sellers not to list >>>> and buyers not to bid during the week of Feb 20-27. It may get >>>> interesting...... >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >>>> 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: >>> 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 > 9:59 AM > > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 08:47:02 2008 From: [email protected] (michael funk) Date: Sat Feb 2 08:47:16 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <000701c8653e$b6e640a0$6501a...@home> <003d01c8659a$8d558460$6401a...@user52c8f93503> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <000c01c865bb$3caf4bb0$6401a...@your4dacd0ea75> Ironically, Ebay owns 25% of Craigslist. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 7:48 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion If an item is a local sale item and there is a local market for it then Craigslist is the way to go. BruceY wrote: > The whole thing sound looney to me. They are going to cut your fees on > one end but more then make them up on the other, and then not allow you > to trash a theiving, crazy, or fruicake type buyer? Sounds like some nut > has taken over this organization!and put it on the road to destruction. > I may just decide to sell all my stuff on craigslist. The last few times > I have tried it, I got the price I was asking, the buyers were great, > they came and picked the stuff up, and It didn't cost me a thing.!! > > Bruce > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Albert" <[email protected]> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:55 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion > > >> wondered about this too. What is Ebays rationale for not allowing >> sellers to leave negative feed back on buyers? can somebody comment? >> Al Menashe >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Boyles" <[email protected]> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM >> Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion >> >> >>> Looks like there is a big push back on the upcoming Ebay changes...... >>> >>> http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/smbusiness/ebay_fee_hike.fsb/index.htm?postv ersion=2008013116 >>> >>> >>> It appears there is a orchestrated event asking sellers not to list >>> and buyers not to bid during the week of Feb 20-27. It may get >>> interesting...... >>> Eric >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >>> 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: >> 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM >> > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 09:27:01 2008 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Feb 2 09:31:30 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Feedback ChangesThe eBay Feedback system was designed to provide a simple, honest, accurate record of member experiences. Focusing on customer service includes doing everything we can to grow customer confidence in our sellers. Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. Positive repeat customer Feedback will count (up to 1 Feedback from the same buyer per week.) Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. When a buyer doesn't respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) process the negative or neutral Feedback they have left for that transaction will be removed. When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral Feedback will be removed. Buyers must wait 3 days before leaving negative or neutral Feedback for sellers with an established track record, to encourage communication. All Feedback must be left within 60 days (compared to 90 days today) of listing end to encourage timely Feedback and discourage abuse. Buyers will be held more accountable when sellers report an unpaid item or commit other policy violations.> From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 09:30:25 2008 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Feb 2 09:31:36 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> No you will not lose feedback more than 12 months old, your feedback average will only reflect the last year. For example you have been on eBay for 10 years and your feedback is 99.9% and the negative was more than a year ago your feedback will go to 100%. Corrections happily accepted. SteveOk, I read it, but the flipside seems to be that buyers will now be held more accountable when sellers report unpaid items, etc. So all is not lost, though I certainly don't agree with not being able to give negative feedback to sellers.> And feedback not counting after one year..does that mean that all my good feedback entries over a year old will be removed, and that suddenly I may seem like a novice seller??> Hmm... From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 09:34:44 2008 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Feb 2 09:42:08 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <000701c8653e$b6e640a0$6501a...@home> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Hi Jim, This is the one area it will correct, I have left positive feedback for ripoff sellers in the past because I did not want to ruin my 100% positive that I have worked so hard to keep. In this area it will make a positive difference, but there are some psycho buyers that will take advantage of it. Steve > Isn't is obvious? Buyers usually wouldn't leave bad feedback for > ripoff > sellers, because they don't want to risk retaliation by the > seller. For > that reason, I have never left negative feedback for a > seller, even when he > deserved it. I don't want my 100% record to be > ruined by his retaliation. > When I get ripped off by a seller, I just > don't leave feedback at all.> > > Jim> > On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Albert wrote:> > > wondered about this > too. What is Ebays rationale for not allowing > > sellers to leave negative > feed back on buyers? can somebody > > comment? Al Menashe> > ----- Original > Message ----- From: "Eric Boyles" <[email protected]>> > To: "Antique Phonograph > List" <[email protected]>> > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM> > > Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion> >> >> >> Looks like there is a big > push back on the upcoming Ebay > >> changes......> >>> >> > http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/smbusiness/ebay_fee_hike.fsb/index.htm?postversion=2008013116> > >>> >> It appears there is a orchestrated event asking sellers not to list > > >> and buyers not to bid during the week of Feb 20-27. It may get > >> > interesting......> >> Eric> >>> >> > _______________________________________________> >> Phono-L mailing list> >> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> >>> >>> >> -- > >> Internal Virus Database is > out-of-date.> >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus > Database: > >> 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM> >> > > _______________________________________________> > Phono-L mailing list> > > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org> > > _______________________________________________> Phono-L mailing list> > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 09:37:50 2008 From: [email protected] (Steven Medved) Date: Sat Feb 2 09:42:44 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Rich, Let me know what you discover, is anyone familiar with ePier? http://www.epier.com/ Steve > > Yahoo has an auction site. have not looked in a long time but I will > take > > a look in the AM. I am NOT a big fan of yahoo either, their > business > > ethics do not measure up in my estimation.> From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 09:46:07 2008 From: [email protected] (michael funk) Date: Sat Feb 2 09:53:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <000701c8653e$b6e640a0$6501a...@home> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <000001c865c3$7da43240$6401a...@your4dacd0ea75> Ebay's stock price on Jan. 29 when the fee structure and pricing changes were made was 25.72. At the market's close yesterday, Feb. 1, it was 28.81. Need I say more. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jim Nichol Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:05 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion Exactly. The whole idea of feedback was flawed from the beginning. Jim On Feb 2, 2008, at 8:45 AM, Rich wrote: > Just to play devils advocate here. What about the seller who is > ripped off by th buyer? If that seller leaves negative FB for the > buyer he can be sure that he will receive a negative comment in > return. > > Jim Nichol wrote: >> Isn't is obvious? Buyers usually wouldn't leave bad feedback for >> ripoff sellers, because they don't want to risk retaliation by the >> seller. For that reason, I have never left negative feedback for a >> seller, even when he deserved it. I don't want my 100% record to be >> ruined by his retaliation. When I get ripped off by a seller, I >> just don't leave feedback at all. >> Jim >> On Feb 1, 2008, at 8:55 PM, Albert wrote: >>> wondered about this too. What is Ebays rationale for not allowing >>> sellers to leave negative feed back on buyers? can somebody >>> comment? Al Menashe >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Boyles" <[email protected]> >>> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 4:40 PM >>> Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion >>> >>> >>>> Looks like there is a big push back on the upcoming Ebay >>>> changes...... >>>> >>>> http://money.cnn.com/2008/01/31/smbusiness/ebay_fee_hike.fsb/index.htm?postv ersion=2008013116 >>>> >>>> It appears there is a orchestrated event asking sellers not to >>>> list and buyers not to bid during the week of Feb 20-27. It may >>>> get interesting...... >>>> Eric >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Phono-L mailing list >>>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: >>>> 269.11.19/955 - Release Date: 8/15/2007 4:55 PM >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 09:44:41 2008 From: [email protected] (Rich) Date: Sat Feb 2 10:11:32 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion In-Reply-To: <[email protected]> References: <[email protected]> <[email protected]> <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> I find the last one interesting. How is eBay going to hold the buyer "more accountable"? It does not say.... Wag their finger at them? If my experience is typical, then there are more ignorant inconsiderate buyers than sellers. Steven Medved wrote: > Feedback ChangesThe eBay Feedback system was designed to provide a simple, > honest, accurate record of member experiences. Focusing on customer service > includes doing everything we can to grow customer confidence in our sellers. > > Buyers will only be able to receive positive Feedback. > Positive repeat customer Feedback will count (up to 1 Feedback from the same > buyer per week.) > Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage. > When a buyer doesn't respond to the Unpaid Item (UPI) process the negative or > neutral Feedback they have left for that transaction will be removed. > When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral Feedback will be > removed. > Buyers must wait 3 days before leaving negative or neutral Feedback for > sellers with an established track record, to encourage communication. > All Feedback must be left within 60 days (compared to 90 days today) of > listing end to encourage timely Feedback and discourage abuse. > Buyers will be held more accountable when sellers report an unpaid item or > commit other policy violations.> > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 10:32:45 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Feb 2 10:33:04 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion Message-ID: <[email protected]> Bruce, you hit the nail on the head! Brantley </HTML> From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 10:29:35 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Feb 2 10:38:58 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion Message-ID: <[email protected]> I totally agree with all of you. I too have worked extremely hard to provide above average packaging, good delivery times, and prompt communications as an effort to wow my ebay customers and suppliers in order to keep my 100% feedback rating. It is a no win situation. If I, or others like me, send in due negative feedback to a buyer or seller, you know without a doubt that they are going to send in a nasty unwarranted feedback. The feedback systems is pretty much a joke when it comes to negative feedback. The ones that just kill me are the dead beat buyers. This is the sorry no good buyer that will out bid a great buyer at the last minute and will never pay for the item. Has this ever happened to anyone? You send email after email, and still never hear anything from them. Ebay still gets all of their fees, etc. I have also heard of some bad situations with ebay and paypal in which folks never get their item(s). Ebay has this 'we will take care of you' policy, but when it comes to coming though, well, forget it. The most common excuse from the seller is that the item got lost in the mail. The poor mail system gets the blame every time. Always remember...Ebay is after one thing...MONEY! At one time, ebay was a fantastic site to buy, sell, and to meet some great friends in the hobby, and at a reasonable price. I have sold items and after ebay got all of their fees and paypal got their fee, I practically gave the item away. I bet if the average ebayer adds up the time spent to place the ad, the time spent to respond to communications, the time spent to package the item, the money spent to buy the packaging material, the money spent for gas to go to the post office, and the time spent standing in line to mail the item, and the money ebay and paypal took, the ebayer would say, I did not make as much as I thought I'd make. I have decided to stop giving my hard earned stuff away. I personnaly like show and swap meets. One can actually see and try an item out before it is bought. Thanks to the ebay top dogs, ebay started getting greedy. You know, when you get your first billion, you just gotta get that second! Because of this greed, many people have said, 'The ....with it" and found other avenues to buy and sell. Craig's List is an example, and it is free! Sure, there are some short comings with Craigs and the other avenues, but nothing is perfect. I can't stand the way ebay also threatens the seller or buyer..."DO NOT BUY OFF LINE, OR ELSE....!!! In all fairness, I liked ebay at one time and have been happy with the transactions that I have been involved with, both as a seller and a buyer. I have bough much more that I have sold sad to say. I feel that these sudden changes with management and policy may be a 'knee jerk' reactions to the lagging profits over the last year or so. A company can get only so big for so long before the customers get enough and say, "It's time for me to opt for other options. I don't need you anymore!" Maybe ebay needs the customer more than the customer needs ebay for once. One of these days the same will be true for the likes of Wal-Mart..... Brantley </HTML> From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 10:34:17 2008 From: [email protected] ([email protected]) Date: Sat Feb 2 10:43:35 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] OT - Ebay rebellion Message-ID: <[email protected]> I did not know ebay had anything to do with Craig's List. Anything ebay has its hand in usually requires, 'show me the money!" Brantley </HTML> From [email protected] Sat Feb 2 12:04:32 2008 From: [email protected] (BruceY) Date: Sat Feb 2 12:03:31 2008 Subject: [Phono-L] U.S. Everlasting-The Fireman's song-Cronophone System/ References: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <001c01c865d6$d5b8bd80$6401a...@user52c8f93503> Yes, indeed one in the same. The film was made in England. Bruce ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] U.S. Everlasting-The Fireman's song-Cronophone System/ > > In a message dated 2/2/2008 10:30:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > I just found out that there was Actually a Cronophone short film, > featuring > one Hamilton Hill in 1906 called the "The Fireman's song". > > > --------------------- > Hi > > Do you mean the Gaumont Co.'s "Chronophone"? > > Allen > _www.phonobooks.com_ (http://www.phonobooks.com) > > > > > **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. > (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 > 48) > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.oldcrank.org > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 > 9:59 AM >
