On my Amberola 1A, the extra lever provides a more positive shut off. If I just use the upper lever, I sometimes get a little bit of slippage.
On Oct 28, 2008, at 9:11 PM, Albert wrote: > I also have a A-1, and I play it often, (first rococo grill) but I > never > could figure out why they put the extra shut off lever on the front > left of > the bedplate. The lever to lower the reproducer turns the machine > on and > when you lift it the machine shuts off, so why the extra shut off? > kind of > redundant, and I never have used it. Also If you are going to > play wax > amberols I think the model L tracks them better than the M. Al. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Glastris" <glastris at comcast.net> > To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 4:52 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) > > >> Greg is correct on his points about the IA. I've had mine for >> almost 20 >> years and it has followed me around England, then to Boston with a >> couple >> moves in town, then to Chicago with a couple of moves. Of the 50 >> or so >> machines I own or have owned,(not to mention the 1,000s I've handled >> professionally) it is by far my favourite. If I could only keep >> one it >> would be the one. Yes, wax Amberols may sound better on a III and >> Blue >> Amberols better on an Opera, but only the IA plays all three as >> well as >> non-Edison celluloids. And you get storage for your 100 fave >> cylinders. >> >> And given a choice, the Lyre grille is the best. >> >> Long live the Amberola IA!!! >> >> Best to all, >> George >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Bogantz" <gbogantz1 at charter.net> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >> >> >>> Bruce, the only reason that I discount the 1A from being the best >>> cylinder player is because of its inferior motor. The straight- >>> cut spur >>> gears of the 1A are decidedly noisier than the Opera motor of the >>> 1B and >>> the >>> III. When I first got my 1A, it sounded like and electric drill >>> whenever >>> I >>> ran it. The noise comes mostly from the high speed governor >>> gears, and >>> the >>> only fix for it is to replace these gears with nearly perfect new >>> ones. >>> Try >>> to find those anywhere! I got lucky and swapped a fellow >>> collector some >>> items for a set of nearly new gears which quieted my 1A down to >>> the point >>> where it is enjoyable, but still not as quiet as my 1B. The other >>> big >>> problem with the 1A is that it doesn't have the mechanical flutter >>> filter >>> and flywheel that Edison added to some of his later motors such as >>> the >>> Opera, Amberola V, and all the late amberolas. The lack of a >>> sufficient >>> flywheel coupled with the belt drive of the 1A virtually ensures >>> that >>> you'll >>> get flutter and wow that is just an essential aspect of this design. >>> Acoustically, the 1A is the same as the 1B, but the motor spoils the >>> total >>> experience a little. >>> >>> However, since the 1A motor is no worse than any found on any >>> other 2 >>> minute cylinder machine, the superior horn of the 1A makes it the >>> best >>> overall 2 minute machine in my estimation. AND it has the added >>> benefit >>> that you can play 2 minute celluloid records with the Diamond A >>> reproducer >>> which is truly the best 2 minute experience that you can get in a >>> commercially made machine. I like my 1A just fine, but I prefer >>> to hear >>> 4 >>> minute celluloids on my 1B or my III. >>> >>> I don't include the Opera among the very best sounding machines >>> because >>> I haven't heard ANY commercially made outside horns on cylinder >>> machines >>> that are the sonic equal to the horns in the Amberola 1s and III. I >>> mentioned on the OTV board that I have a mechanical engineer >>> friend who >>> decided to make his own large genuine cygnet shaped exponential >>> outside >>> horn. He has fitted it to an Amberola 50 motor which he has put >>> into a >>> custom tabletop cabinet. The horn is suspended over the carriage >>> by a >>> clever, original design double crane pantographic system that >>> works much >>> better than any original design. He calls his machine the >>> "Ediphonic" >>> and >>> has even put an Edison-style logo on it with that name. The >>> reproducer >>> is >>> a >>> modified Diamond B which has a custom diaphragm in it similar to >>> the ones >>> that I make. The entire project is very well-done, tidy, and >>> authentic >>> looking. I can tell you with "first-ear" assurance that this is >>> the BEST >>> sounding acoustic 4 minute cylinder player I have EVER heard. The >>> exponential horn works wonderfully well with the Diamond B, and the >>> results >>> from playing the early directly recorded BA records (not the dubs) >>> is >>> some >>> of the best sounding acoustic reproduction you will ever hear. >>> >>> Greg Bogantz >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com> >>> To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:46 PM >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >>> >>> >>>> Greg, >>>> >>>> I'd be interested to know more about why an Amberola 1A would not >>>> sound >>>> equally as good as the 1B for 4 min wax or blue amberols assuming >>>> the >>>> correct reproducer is used, (the M for 4 min wax and the diamond >>>> A for >>>> blue amberols)? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Bruce >>>> >>>> Bruce Johnson >>>> Pod Valem II, 870 >>>> 252 43 Pruhonice >>>> Czech Republic >>>> >>>> >>>> Tel: (CZ) + 420 602 362 473 >>>> Tel: (US) + 1 612 605 5242 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ________________________________ >>>> From: "phono-l-request at oldcrank.org" <phono-l-request at oldcrank.org> >>>> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:00:05 PM >>>> Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 288 >>>> >>>> Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to >>>> phono-l at oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>>> http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/phono-l >>>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>>> phono-l-request at oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>>> phono-l-owner at oldcrank.org >>>> >>>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>>> than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." >>>> If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include >>>> this >>>> entire digest in your message.Today's Topics: >>>> >>>> 1. Re: Loss To Phono Collector Community (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) >>>> 2. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Michael F. Khanchalian) >>>> 3. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved) >>>> 4. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >>>> 5. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Rich) >>>> 6. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 287 (RROCRREC at aol.com) >>>> 7. Dave Boruff (Mark Dawson) >>>> 8. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved) >>>> 9. 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