Why would the Lyre grille model sound better than other Amberola I-A
phonographs?
Jim Cartwright
Immortal Performances
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> [Original Message]
> From: George Glastris <glastris at comcast.net>
> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Date: 28-Oct-2008 8:24:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
>
> Greg is correct on his points about the IA. I've had mine for almost 20
> years and it has followed me around England, then to Boston with a couple
> moves in town, then to Chicago with a couple of moves. Of the 50 or so
> machines I own or have owned,(not to mention the 1,000s I've handled
> professionally) it is by far my favourite. If I could only keep one it
> would be the one. Yes, wax Amberols may sound better on a III and Blue
> Amberols better on an Opera, but only the IA plays all three as well as
> non-Edison celluloids. And you get storage for your 100 fave cylinders.
>
> And given a choice, the Lyre grille is the best.
>
> Long live the Amberola IA!!!
>
> Best to all,
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greg Bogantz" <gbogantz1 at charter.net>
> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
>
>
> > Bruce, the only reason that I discount the 1A from being the best
> > cylinder player is because of its inferior motor. The straight-cut spur
> > gears of the 1A are decidedly noisier than the Opera motor of the 1B
and
> > the
> > III. When I first got my 1A, it sounded like and electric drill
whenever
> > I
> > ran it. The noise comes mostly from the high speed governor gears, and
> > the
> > only fix for it is to replace these gears with nearly perfect new ones.
> > Try
> > to find those anywhere! I got lucky and swapped a fellow collector some
> > items for a set of nearly new gears which quieted my 1A down to the
point
> > where it is enjoyable, but still not as quiet as my 1B. The other big
> > problem with the 1A is that it doesn't have the mechanical flutter
filter
> > and flywheel that Edison added to some of his later motors such as the
> > Opera, Amberola V, and all the late amberolas. The lack of a sufficient
> > flywheel coupled with the belt drive of the 1A virtually ensures that
> > you'll
> > get flutter and wow that is just an essential aspect of this design.
> > Acoustically, the 1A is the same as the 1B, but the motor spoils the
total
> > experience a little.
> >
> > However, since the 1A motor is no worse than any found on any other 2
> > minute cylinder machine, the superior horn of the 1A makes it the best
> > overall 2 minute machine in my estimation. AND it has the added benefit
> > that you can play 2 minute celluloid records with the Diamond A
reproducer
> > which is truly the best 2 minute experience that you can get in a
> > commercially made machine. I like my 1A just fine, but I prefer to
hear 4
> > minute celluloids on my 1B or my III.
> >
> > I don't include the Opera among the very best sounding machines
because
> > I haven't heard ANY commercially made outside horns on cylinder machines
> > that are the sonic equal to the horns in the Amberola 1s and III. I
> > mentioned on the OTV board that I have a mechanical engineer friend who
> > decided to make his own large genuine cygnet shaped exponential outside
> > horn. He has fitted it to an Amberola 50 motor which he has put into a
> > custom tabletop cabinet. The horn is suspended over the carriage by a
> > clever, original design double crane pantographic system that works much
> > better than any original design. He calls his machine the "Ediphonic"
and
> > has even put an Edison-style logo on it with that name. The reproducer
is
> > a
> > modified Diamond B which has a custom diaphragm in it similar to the
ones
> > that I make. The entire project is very well-done, tidy, and authentic
> > looking. I can tell you with "first-ear" assurance that this is the
BEST
> > sounding acoustic 4 minute cylinder player I have EVER heard. The
> > exponential horn works wonderfully well with the Diamond B, and the
> > results
> > from playing the early directly recorded BA records (not the dubs) is
some
> > of the best sounding acoustic reproduction you will ever hear.
> >
> > Greg Bogantz
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com>
> > To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
> >
> >
> >> Greg,
> >>
> >> I'd be interested to know more about why an Amberola 1A would not sound
> >> equally as good as the 1B for 4 min wax or blue amberols assuming the
> >> correct reproducer is used, (the M for 4 min wax and the diamond A for
> >> blue amberols)?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Bruce
> >>
> >> Bruce Johnson
> >> Pod Valem II, 870
> >> 252 43 Pruhonice
> >> Czech Republic
> >>
> >>
> >> Tel: (CZ) + 420 602 362 473
> >> Tel: (US) + 1 612 605 5242
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >> 2. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Michael F. Khanchalian)
> >> 3. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved)
> >> 4. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
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> >> 7. Dave Boruff (Mark Dawson)
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> >> 9. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
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