I mean the Lyre grill looks better, not sounds better. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz)
> Why would the Lyre grille model sound better than other Amberola I-A > phonographs? > > Jim Cartwright > > Immortal Performances > > > jimcip at earthlink.net > EarthLink Revolves Around You. > > >> [Original Message] >> From: George Glastris <glastris at comcast.net> >> To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >> Date: 28-Oct-2008 8:24:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >> >> Greg is correct on his points about the IA. I've had mine for almost 20 >> years and it has followed me around England, then to Boston with a couple >> moves in town, then to Chicago with a couple of moves. Of the 50 or so >> machines I own or have owned,(not to mention the 1,000s I've handled >> professionally) it is by far my favourite. If I could only keep one it >> would be the one. Yes, wax Amberols may sound better on a III and Blue >> Amberols better on an Opera, but only the IA plays all three as well as >> non-Edison celluloids. And you get storage for your 100 fave cylinders. >> >> And given a choice, the Lyre grille is the best. >> >> Long live the Amberola IA!!! >> >> Best to all, >> George >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Greg Bogantz" <gbogantz1 at charter.net> >> To: "Antique Phonograph List" <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >> >> >> > Bruce, the only reason that I discount the 1A from being the best >> > cylinder player is because of its inferior motor. The straight-cut >> > spur >> > gears of the 1A are decidedly noisier than the Opera motor of the 1B > and >> > the >> > III. When I first got my 1A, it sounded like and electric drill > whenever >> > I >> > ran it. The noise comes mostly from the high speed governor gears, and >> > the >> > only fix for it is to replace these gears with nearly perfect new ones. >> > Try >> > to find those anywhere! I got lucky and swapped a fellow collector >> > some >> > items for a set of nearly new gears which quieted my 1A down to the > point >> > where it is enjoyable, but still not as quiet as my 1B. The other big >> > problem with the 1A is that it doesn't have the mechanical flutter > filter >> > and flywheel that Edison added to some of his later motors such as the >> > Opera, Amberola V, and all the late amberolas. The lack of a >> > sufficient >> > flywheel coupled with the belt drive of the 1A virtually ensures that >> > you'll >> > get flutter and wow that is just an essential aspect of this design. >> > Acoustically, the 1A is the same as the 1B, but the motor spoils the > total >> > experience a little. >> > >> > However, since the 1A motor is no worse than any found on any other >> > 2 >> > minute cylinder machine, the superior horn of the 1A makes it the best >> > overall 2 minute machine in my estimation. AND it has the added >> > benefit >> > that you can play 2 minute celluloid records with the Diamond A > reproducer >> > which is truly the best 2 minute experience that you can get in a >> > commercially made machine. I like my 1A just fine, but I prefer to > hear 4 >> > minute celluloids on my 1B or my III. >> > >> > I don't include the Opera among the very best sounding machines > because >> > I haven't heard ANY commercially made outside horns on cylinder >> > machines >> > that are the sonic equal to the horns in the Amberola 1s and III. I >> > mentioned on the OTV board that I have a mechanical engineer friend who >> > decided to make his own large genuine cygnet shaped exponential outside >> > horn. He has fitted it to an Amberola 50 motor which he has put into a >> > custom tabletop cabinet. The horn is suspended over the carriage by a >> > clever, original design double crane pantographic system that works >> > much >> > better than any original design. He calls his machine the "Ediphonic" > and >> > has even put an Edison-style logo on it with that name. The reproducer > is >> > a >> > modified Diamond B which has a custom diaphragm in it similar to the > ones >> > that I make. The entire project is very well-done, tidy, and authentic >> > looking. I can tell you with "first-ear" assurance that this is the > BEST >> > sounding acoustic 4 minute cylinder player I have EVER heard. The >> > exponential horn works wonderfully well with the Diamond B, and the >> > results >> > from playing the early directly recorded BA records (not the dubs) is > some >> > of the best sounding acoustic reproduction you will ever hear. >> > >> > Greg Bogantz >> > >> > >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: <valecnik57-purc at yahoo.com> >> > To: <phono-l at oldcrank.org> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 5:46 PM >> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >> > >> > >> >> Greg, >> >> >> >> I'd be interested to know more about why an Amberola 1A would not >> >> sound >> >> equally as good as the 1B for 4 min wax or blue amberols assuming the >> >> correct reproducer is used, (the M for 4 min wax and the diamond A for >> >> blue amberols)? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bruce >> >> >> >> Bruce Johnson >> >> Pod Valem II, 870 >> >> 252 43 Pruhonice >> >> Czech Republic >> >> >> >> >> >> Tel: (CZ) + 420 602 362 473 >> >> Tel: (US) + 1 612 605 5242 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ >> >> From: "phono-l-request at oldcrank.org" <phono-l-request at oldcrank.org> >> >> To: phono-l at oldcrank.org >> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 8:00:05 PM >> >> Subject: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 288 >> >> >> >> Send Phono-L mailing list submissions to >> >> phono-l at oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://oldcrank.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/phono-l >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> >> phono-l-request at oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> >> phono-l-owner at oldcrank.org >> >> >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> >> than "Re: Contents of Phono-L digest..." >> >> If you reply, please change your subject line and don't include this >> >> entire digest in your message.Today's Topics: >> >> >> >> 1. Re: Loss To Phono Collector Community (Zonophone2006 at aol.com) >> >> 2. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Michael F. Khanchalian) >> >> 3. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved) >> >> 4. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Greg Bogantz) >> >> 5. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Rich) >> >> 6. Re: Phono-L Digest, Vol 5, Issue 287 (RROCRREC at aol.com) >> >> 7. Dave Boruff (Mark Dawson) >> >> 8. Re: Research: Amberolas 1A and 1B (Steven Medved) >> >> 9. 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