Hello Kenneth, It is best to use the stylus designed for the records. The Lyric and the early Edison reproducers have a ball stylus that actually has a ball polished on the end of the sapphire rod. There are two types of the Lyric that I have seen, send me a photo of the sylus on yours. If you want to play 2 and 4 minute records the best way to do this is to have a later H bar modified for the 4 minute records and put on a bar with a two minute stylus for the 2 minute records. Steve
> Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 06:54:12 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. > > Steve, > > That is what I have been thinking all along that using a H stylus would > cause ware on the 2 minute wax records and I surely do not what to do that. > I have spent many years collecting and hand picking my 2 mintue wax cylinders > and I would hate to cause any damage to any one of them. Now I notice that > the sapphire stylus on the lyric reproducer looks to me smaller than the > Edison C sapphire. So maybe I can get away with playing 4 minute with it but > will not be sure unitl I get the 2/4 mintue attachment. What's your input on > that Steve? > > Kenneth > > > ________________________________ > From: Steven Medved <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 9:20 AM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. > > > Hello Kenneth, > > If you play a blue amberol four minute record with a model C two minute you > will get sound and you can tell what the song is which surprised me as I did > not think you would get sound. You never want to play a four minute with a > two minute stylus. > > With celluloid records the light weight and sapphire will not cause enough > additional wear for you to ever notice. Sapphire is softer than diamond and > I am certain that the H styli will cause more wear than the proper two minute > but again not enough to be concerned with. > > There has been a debate about playing wax two minute records with a Model H > for many years, one man said he has done this for over 20 years with no wear > noted. > > It is a fact that playing two minute records with a Model H will cause more > wear, the contact area of the H is .0035 for Edison. I would say occasional > playing with of a wax record with a model H would not be bad, but it depends > on how you want to treat your records. > > For example playing a brown wax with a model C will cause addition wear and > remove more wax because of the shape of the ball stylus. Some people do not > care. > > I welcome discussion. > > Steve > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 22:57:04 -0700 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. > > > > Bob and Curt, > > If I do have an Edison H Stylus put in my Lyric reproducer by Steven > > Medved, would I still be able to play 2 minute record with out damage to > > them? The Edison 4 minute diamond stylus doesn't work on Edison 2 minute > > records, does it? I have always used a K reproducer so I can switch > > between 2 and 4 minute cylinders. > > This is all a learning experience for me about Columbia reproducers and > > conversion kits and the change in stylus needed. > > Thanks to you both for your help, I really appreciate it very much. > > Honestly even though I might not post always post on Phono-L, I do get a > > lot out of it and everyone that I have met here has been more than helpful. > > I must say if it was not for Joan and Rob Rolfs in 1993 and how they > > introduced me to thier new Charter Chapter of M.A.P.S. in Wisconsin when I > > was only 26. Without meeting them I would have missed out on one of the > > greatist joys in my life. Now that I have been collecting for 19 years and > > 45 years old, I still learn new things and always will and other than that > > I feel I have met some of the nicest and honest people here that always > > reach out to me when I am in need of help. > > Thanks to you both Bob and Curt, and thanks to everyone else that has made > > this a very enjoyable experience! > > Kenneth Keeton > > > > PS: Sometime I will have to post here the story of how I just happened to > > walk in to collecting phonographs and how it was for me at an early age. I > > feel I have a very interesting story that goes to show how wonderful our > > collecting community is. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Bob Maffit <[email protected]> > > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 11:23 PM > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachment. > > > > Ken: > > > > I can attest to the same, Steve does very credible work at a "down to earth" > > price. > > > > later > > > > Bob > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > > Behalf Of Vinyl Visions > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 8:14 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. > > > > > > Ken,If you do find a 2/4 conversion kit, you will also need a 4 minute > > stylus in your Lyric reproducer. Finding a 4 min original Columbia > > reproducer is another needle in a haystack and not cheap. I sent my original > > 2 minute Lyric to Steven Medved and he installed an Edison H needle bar and > > stylus, along with a copper diaphragm, which works perfectly and solved my > > problem. Steven is on the list frequently, so when you need him, just ask... > > he does great work.Curt > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:48:47 -0700 > > > From: [email protected] > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. > > > > > > Curt, > > > Thanks for all the information. I printed it out so I can refer back to > > it later. I do that with some posts so that it is easy for me to remember > > and cataloged. > > > Thanks again, > > > Kenneth > > > PS: I book marked your welcome page. > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Vinyl Visions <[email protected]> > > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 24, 2012 5:05 PM > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. > > > > > > > > > Ken, > > > If you would like to see what a BE conversion looks like, go to our > > webpage: http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com/ After clicking on ENTER, you > > will be on the page with a woman and Nipper - at the top of the page, click > > on the link "Columbia BF 2-4 minute conversion" > > > I recently did the same thing you are attempting to do with your BE, to my > > BF machine. However, I could not find the actual BF conversion kit and > > adapted a BE conversion kit to work. The main difference between the two is > > the length of the feedscrew. The BE is approx. 8" long and the BF is approx. > > 10" long - the adaptation would not have worked in reverse - a BF kit will > > not work on a BE. > > > No one seemed to know much about Columbia 2/4 conversions when I was > > researching mine earlier this year, so I have learned quite a bit about > > them. First, if you find a kit, it has to include a feedscrew with the > > gearing attached and an adapter plate with a locking post for the conversion > > to work. Make sure all the parts are there before purchasing one, because > > they are a needle in a haystack to find. The pics of my machine with the BE > > adapter on it are on the above website. > > > Although, Columbia made the adapter kits to be used with a number of > > machines, they apparently did not make many of them because the cost for the > > adapter was almost as much as the original machine and Columbia did not make > > 4 minute cylinders (other than the Indestructible brand). It was also at the > > end of the cylinder age, when most people were starting to opt for disc > > records. > > > Curt > > > > > > > Date: Tue, 24 Jul 2012 11:32:56 -0700 > > > > From: [email protected] > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Fwd: Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. > > > > > > > > David, > > > > I went back and check with the Columbia Phonograph Companion Vol. 1, and > > you are very right. There was more than one attachmemt made to work. on > > different machines. > > > > Oops, Thank you for correcting me. I should have double checked my > > facts before talking out of foggy memory and scatchy mental pictues. Still > > I would love to find a BE 2/4 minute attachment. I wander if the other > > attachment for the BK might work on my Columbia Oxford, it was based on the > > BK but my Oxford Machinehad has the bedplate and gearing all look to be > > identical to the BK. The Oxford case is plain with trim around bedplate and > > base of machine. It is correct to be without decals of any kind other than > > the double pinsripe on the Japaned black lacker bedplate. Information > > passed on to me by Tim Fabrizio about the interesting fact that they did not > > decal the case at all, just plane oak. The tone arm conmected to the horn > > support is painted glossy black to match the backmount and bedplate, the > > elbow connecting to the reproducer and the slide tube are nickeled. The > > slide tube just turns under and connects to the elbow unlike the BKT > > > > that has a "U" Tube at the end of the slide. I have a really nice > > larger Columbia Black Petals Horn with raised accents aound each petal and > > there this is a double yellow rose decal on each of the petals too. I > > really like the way it looks with the black parts of the machine. > > > > > > > > I will attach a photo with this posting so you can see the machine. I > > am quite proud of it as I am sure you can tell. But not as proud as my > > mahogany Triumph and Home model A long case. > > > > Any ways David, I would like to say thanks for correcting me, I have > > learned many things from the post that have been made here. > > > > Kenneth Keeton > > > > > > > > PS:The Picture of my Oxford Cylinder Phonograph is as an Attachment > > within this post. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > Sent: Monday, July 23, 2012 9:59 PM > > > > Subject: Fwd: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken, > > > > > > > > I believe the 2/4 minute attachment for a BE, BF, and BG is different > > than used on the BK, BO and BQ. I think I have a complete 2/4 minute > > attachment for the later, but I think it is different than what you need. > > If you are interested in the attachment for a BK, BO, or BQ, let me know and > > I'll locate it and send some pictures. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > David Boruff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Ken aka: OnATorrent <[email protected]> > > > > To: Antique Phonograph List <[email protected]> > > > > Sent: Mon, Jul 23, 2012 9:34 am > > > > Subject: [Phono-L] Looking for info or a 2/4 minute attachmet. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > I posted a message several days ago and saw no replys. I have a > > Columbia BE in > > > > fantastic condition and I would really love to find a 2/4 minute > > attachment for > > > > it. It is the same attachment that fits the BK, BF, BG, BO and the BQ. > > If > > > > anyone has a complete attachment for sale I would really love to know > > and if you > > > > have any leads to where I can find one, it would be most helpful. > > > > > > > > Thanks much as alwasy, > > > > Kenneth Keeton > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.org/ > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > > > > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > > > > Name: Oxford Cylinder Phonograph - 2 crop.jpg > > > > Type: image/jpeg > > > > Size: 1343378 bytes > > > > Desc: not available > > > > URL: > > <http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20120724/71d04ee3/attachm > > ent.jpg> > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > > http://phono-l.org/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Phono-L mailing list > > > http://phono-l.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org _______________________________________________ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
