Just to put my own in. Allthough I have been programming php for a while 
I agree with Marky. Manuals are not allways clear and when starting it 
is often difficult to know what you need to look up.

With regards to losing time reading posts surely it is faster to hit 
delete than go to the bother of making a patronising remark which puts 
off new comers and does not help to grow the php community.

Andre.

Mark Milaszkiewicz wrote:

>A newbies opinion..
>
>I'm just getting into PHP and MySql stuff at the moment, i own 2 books on
>them, i have the manual on my Hard Drive, and its ok saying you should
>consult these, but sometimes they seem to be written in gibberish, and also
>the books only have in them what the author thought was useful, I wanted to
>do a really basic online searchable database of all the dvds i owned, i was
>looking thru PHP4, buy choi, kent, lea... you know the one, and couldn't
>understand at all.. I bought a new book, and it helped a lot more, however,
>i still wanted to clarify certian things, as it told me to do one thing, and
>i didn't want it to do that.
>
>People like getting information out of other people, its all well and good
>reading a book, or reading the manual, but if someone can say, this is how
>you should do it, and it will work, its a lot better than being ignored, or
>told to read the manual.. sometimes it just doesn't say it the way i want
>to, so i need help.
>
>Its a public mailing list this, if you can help, great, brilliant, thats
>what we need.. we don't need people to tell us not to do certian things, etc
>etc. If you don't want to help, don't, just ignore the e mail, and hit the
>delete button, there is no need to be arrogant or anything like that, cos
>its not called for...
>
>Just my pov..
>
>Marky
>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: Steve Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>Sent: 20 August 2001 14:49
>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>Subject: Re: [PHP-DB] please, please can we stop this kind of thing
>>>..... !
>>>
>>>
>>>i'm not a newbie.
>>>
>>>i program in php for a living.
>>>
>>>all i was saying was there are other people that will answer without
>>>sounding so arrogant. it just seems so unwelcoming. not in the spirit of
>>>things etc etc.
>>>
>>>i'm sure B (as we all were) was a newbie at some point.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>"Michael Rudel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>001a01c1297c$08a04810$[EMAIL PROTECTED]">news:001a01c1297c$08a04810$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>>From: Steve Brett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>>>>>Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 2:53 PM
>>>>>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>>>Subject: [PHP-DB] please, please can we stop this kind of
>>>>>thing ..... !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>you know, i've been reading/contributing to this board for a
>>>>>few months and
>>>>>every now and again i see posts from B and now it's really
>>>>>getting up my
>>>>>nose.
>>>>>
>>>>>people come here to find answers.
>>>>>
>>>>>i still come here asking questions.
>>>>>
>>>>>i am totally sick of your RTFM answers, i knew the answer to
>>>>>this also but
>>>>>wouldn't consider demeaning the poster in this way.
>>>>>
>>>>>please stop doing it; if you feel you need to the refrain
>>>>>from answering and
>>>>>let someone else do it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Steve
>>>>>
>>>>Some time ago I wrote a little things to the newbies
>>>>(to be found in the php-news-archive):
>>>>
>>>>http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=php-windows&m=99017650207323&w=2
>>>>
>>>>Check the @all newbies - section.
>>>>
>>>>Please understand the pro's, too !
>>>>
>>>>Happy programming,
>>>>
>>>>  Mike
>>>>
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