My post was trying to convey that it takes time to do things that *every* developer does. It's not a question whether the developers want them or not, because I'm sure they would. The real issue is that was not one of the goals of PHP and I'm trying to say that now it should be.
The tools I'm talking about are not very specific things. Have you ever programmed in Java or .NET? If you have, you'd see that the platform is more sophisticated and powerful, but yet it's actually even getting easier to use. Go to www.extremephp.org and see what I was trying to do. These are things that every developer would learn to use and like as they utilize PHP. Some of these things should be in the core language. The real issue is that PHP needs to take advantage of reuse. The PEAR project and others aren't doing that. For instance, why should I use PHP for an enterprise application when it takes me 3 times as long to make my data layer (assuming I don't have extremephp installed) compared to other technologies? It shouldn't. This is not a post about, "Hey, I'm lazy and I want you PHP guys to make everything I need". That's silly. If you look at the code base that I give out freely (plus other things I've done), you can call that far from lazy. I actually find your post rather immature as well assuming that I just want free custom tools. I think you need yourself need think to think about software reuse and improving productivity. It's an important software issue now as it was 20 years ago and I don't see PHP making any leaps towards that. I'm merely stating that it should start to play catchup now, especially with PHP 5 being in development. Regards, Ken ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Winstead" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 4:41 PM Subject: [PHP-DEV] Re: The PHP Platform > Ken Egervari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [ ... ] because it really only solves the needs of HTML developers > > that need some dynamic functionality to their sites. [ ... ] > > what's wrong with that? > > more generally, why do you expect the developers of php to provide the > tools that you want, instead of the ones that they want? > > jim > > -- > PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> > To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php > > -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
