At 09:55 PM 8/19/2002 -0700, Brad LaFountain wrote: > > I still think it shouldn't go in. This is the only feature in Engine 2 > > which might make non-OOP people convert. Once this isn't in Engine 2 we > > don't have a carrot for them. > > You as a Zend owner who's business could be very propitable for Zend2 > success >or you as a php developer, think that debug_backtrace is bad for php. >Sometimes >I think that your and zeev's ideas are more business oriented than better for >the php community. I'm sure im wrong but thats the way it seems from where I >sit. > I think that Thies is right he's not trying to back port all of the zend2 >functionality but debug_backtrace should have been in many years ago. Holding >back such an important feature just so more people would move to zend2 isnt >going to make zend2 more popular but I think it doesn't move php forward at >all. I would like to see everyone to move to zend2 but we all know that isn't >going to happen with our without including debug_backtrace to zend1, php4 >isn't >going to go away as easy as php3 did no matter how big the carrot is. > > > Why can't you respect this way of thinking? Especially as I wrote the > code? > > You're basically saying screw them because I'll commit it anyway. > > I think he should commit it anyways. He isn't disrespecting you he just > feels >strongly against you (as do alot of others). Sometimes I don't think you >respect their way of thinking. > > Sorry if this email sounds like its attacking you. It isn't intended to.
Hey, The reason for my objection is not business oriented whatsoever. I did witness the transitions from PHP/FI 2 -> PHP 3 (ZE 0.5) and PHP 3 -> PHP 4. The first transition wasn't too difficult although there were quite a lot of BC issues because the user base wasn't too big. The PHP 3 -> PHP 4 transition was actually quite hard. It took us a long time to get php-dev@ moving on the new version because most of them were still using PHP 3 for their production sites. The fact that you guys are so strongly in favor of putting this cool feature into ZE1 proves that not putting it in could give ZE2 a big boost of momentum. Everyone feels very strongly about this feature. (On a side note, at least that makes me happy that people liked this revolutionary/negligible performance impact patch :) I think we need this new momentum. A new version of the engine is very important if we want PHP to compete with the latest technologies. If PHP doesn't get moving on its next version I'm afraid it won't be able to maintain its current position in the market. The only person I have seen thinking of what he'd like to get done for PHP 5 is Wez. By the way, the only personal gain I have in getting ZE2 out of there is that it's my code and that PHP will do much better. I think that PHP is going to loose out big time if things don't start gaining some momentum. Backporting is definitely a momentum breaker *especially* as everyone really really wants to backport it badly. That's exactly my point. If you guys want it so badly then work for it! :) Andi -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
