> -----Original Message----- > From: Andi Gutmans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2002 6:26 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [PHP-DEV] PATCH: debug_backtrace() function for 4.3-dev/ZE1 > > > At 12:30 PM 8/19/2002 +0200, you wrote: > >On Mon, Aug 19, 2002 at 11:45:30AM +0300, Zeev Suraski wrote: > > > > > > How often do you call a function that gives you your current > backtrace in > > > C? In my many years of C experience, I would have to say that the > > accurate > > > answer is -0- times. You really should compare apples with apples... > > > > you often said in the past that you don't write php-apps, you > > write php. i do write php-apps, and debug_backtrace() is one > > of the most useful features if your app reaches an > > "unexpected failure" (= likely a bug). right now i load some > > zend-extension on my devel boxes - but (as you know), the > > unexpected often only happens on productions systems. my > > production systems are soo loaded that i cannot afford to > > load the zend-extension on there. so post-mortem analysis is > > much harder there, and you know how hard it sometimes is to > > reporduce bugs (remember how often i spend hours just to sent > > you guys the shortest-possible testcase for bugs?) > > > > but - in a way you are right, i'm comparing apples and pies. > > the debug_backtrace() for me is like calling abort() in my > > c-code to be able to inspect the core-file and see where > > things went wrong. > > > > anyway, i don't thing we are discussing the usefullness of > > debug_backtrace() here. > > > > i think andi will look over the one critical line of the > > patch - if he agrees that this change is "ok", i will go > > ahead and commit. > > I still think it shouldn't go in. This is the only feature in Engine 2 > which might make non-OOP people convert. Once this isn't in Engine 2 we > don't have a carrot for them. > Why can't you respect this way of thinking? Especially as I wrote > the code? > You're basically saying screw them because I'll commit it anyway.
I think people using wide-spread OS software will be forced to use ZE2. Take a look at Sebastian Bergmanns openTracker oder the Horde guys. They always use the latest available features of PHP. These are just two examples for OS projects that force people to upgrade their PHP to a recent version. Regards, Sebastian Nohn -- +49 170 471 8105 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.nohn.net/ PGP Key Available - Did I help you? Consider a gift: http://www.amazon.de/exec/obidos/wishlist/3HYH6NR8ZI0WI/ -- PHP Development Mailing List <http://www.php.net/> To unsubscribe, visit: http://www.php.net/unsub.php
