On Sunday, July 10, 2016 at 4:57:58 AM UTC+2, pmjones wrote: > > > > On Jul 9, 2016, at 16:28, Anthony Ferrara <ircm...@gmail.com > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > > So I leave you with this: suggest an alternative remedy to the issues > brought up in this thread. > > As Anthony notes, the complainants (of whom Anthony is one) have not > suggested any alternative remedies. >
Paul, I'm sorry but I myself expressed what I believed could be done at the very beginning of this, as you can see below. *Can we solve this without removing Paul? I would sure hope so*, I have more then once apologized for my own inflammatory, heat of the moment remarks on twitter and I have made myself an active effort to avoid sounding aggressive or dismissive on the internet. I have accepted that I do not need to agree with other people's view of me, but it is my role as a functioning human to try and make all I do welcoming of everyone and not exclusionist or aggressive to anyone. Even I fail at this and that is ok. *I think the ball is in Paul's court, if I was in his shoes I would really do some soul searching, talk to the people on this list and try to figure out what is really wrong, those conversations alone could help a lot.* *Now if these 2 weeks do not end up with a viable solution, then the vote for removal would be another message.* I believe we all need to think about "the greater good" and that is not "passing PSRs" and "getting work done", which Paul is no doubt technically capable of doing. *The "greater good" is creating a safe environment, a collaborative group and a place where everyone feels comfortable participating.* This does not mean holding hand and singing kumbaya, but it means we have a clean table to sit at and no one tossing carrots at the other people. Since the beginning I have expressed that this discussion would hopefully lead to reflecting on how we communicate to each other and how we can improve that. It is very unfortunate that this has not happened, instead what we have done is acted like its a which hunt, told people they need to have thick skin, scared away even more people, and at the very end of it all the problem is still the same, as I believe is exemplified by the unnecessary comment in Paul's last email: Finally, to the complainants: you wanted to hang me, so start tying the > noose and call the vote. This attitude, this poking, this inciting remark Paul is sadly what I believe we need a lot less of. As a person "on the list, I would like to ask you Paul, to reflect on how you engage on this list and think how productive it is given the opinions of others. It only take little energy to discuss points without being dismissive and patronizing. Not everyone has the energy to deal with that, even if they have the energy to contribute to the FIG, let's not make this the barrier to entry. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/f20f0906-3c9c-4ced-a134-58b9520b2e38%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
