> On 12 Jul 2016, at 09:49, Alessandro Lai <alessandro.la...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Your point is clear enough, but I think that I have an answer to your "So why > here, why now?" question: > > Because this is not Reddit, this is not a casual forum. > > We are here to work together, to discuss together and to find a common ground > to get PSR done. Paul is greatly involved in this work, so you basically > CAN'T ignore him, because is part of the process. > We are not here to casual discuss something, if I ignore someone it's > detrimental to the PSR process. Right now, if I'm not mistaken, he is the > sponsor of 2 drafting PSR: if I would like to work on those, I have to work > with him, it's unavoidable. > > That's why we're asking to him to police his tones. Even in this thread, he > wrote some personal comments that he could have avoided; I understand his > frustration about this mess, but he displayed the same carelessness and > abrasiveness that we're accusing him to perpetuate, that is the root cause of > this thread itself. I agree with you that the "advice process" is a bit > strange and drifts into something somewhat improper, but we didn't reach any > other solution, short of removing him (that I found useless and detrimental > to both parts).
Just to clarify my suggestion is not about “policing” but to “advise” Paul. ie. the key aspect of my proposal is that Paul is still free to post whatever he finally wants to post, but that a step before is asking for advice on the tone of his communication. As such he will not be prevented from communicating in any way, aside from a delay. Given that discussions on this list are not really time sensitive, I think this delay poses a very insignificant burden. The goal I hope to achieve is to break out of this vicious circle of mistrust and frustration. As several people have pointed out, taken on their own, most/all statements people deemed “toxic” are not that problematic. Its the persistence in such statements happening that is wearing them down. At the same time, the changes people are asking for are in the style and tone and not in the content. Now if in the end Paul consistently chooses to ignore the advice and the tone/style remains and people continue to consider this toxic, then we are of course back to square one. But I wanted to put this out there as a possible remedy that might find a middle ground other than the two extremes expulsion vote or “suck it down”. regards, Lukas Kahwe Smith sm...@pooteeweet.org -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "PHP Framework Interoperability Group" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to php-fig+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to php-fig@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/php-fig/85D4EA19-A71F-4BA0-9F42-399E7BDA1468%40pooteeweet.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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