On Tue, Aug 04, 2009 at 12:42:11PM -0500, Shawn McKenzie wrote:

> Miller, Terion wrote:
> > Shawn you know repeatedly have been nothing but an asshole to me on
> > this list, I have said before I'm not a php programmer, I was a front
> > end designer, need graphics , need a css layout...see me....need
> > backend programming..I'm trying... Stop being such a egomaniacal
> > dickhead, a social life may do you good.
> Dearest Terion,
> If by "repeatedly", you mean twice, then yes I'll agree.  I've also
> helped and/or solved your issues more than twice (once being today if
> you've read it and followed it).  Most often my intent was to get you to
> try and learn and troubleshoot your own issues instead of posting the
> same code problems and syntax errors over and over.  You come to this
> list "repeatedly" with errors that are caused by a total lack of
> understanding, and in my opinion, a total lack of due diligence on your
> part.  It's not today or the past week or the past several weeks, it's
> been for quite some time with little or no improvement.
> If by being an "asshole", you mean the time that I suggested that you
> get an editor with syntax checking/highlighting because you posted a
> whole page of wrapped code that had a syntax error (missing semicolon),
> then yes I have been, though a helpful asshole with good intentions.  At
> some point it gets obnoxious.  When is that point?  It differs depending
> upon the person.  Many on this list have just stopped replying to your
> posts altogether. I like them need to see an attempt to help ones self
> occasionally before I continue with help.
> I wasn't defending your boss yelling at you, that's rarely appropriate.
>  However, after the many posts from you on this list, to see "Need quick
> got written up yesterday!! OUCH", I felt like yelling at you, "Need
> payment doing your work!! CONSTANTLY" :-)
> As a CSS/HTML/graphics designer, did you take this job with the
> understanding that you'd have to learn PHP or did they just thrust it
> upon you?  If the former, then you need to buckle down and learn it in a
> constructive manner.  If your social life needs to suffer for a short
> time, then that's what it takes. If the latter, then maybe talk to them
> about some company paid training and mentoring from someone helpful that
> knows backend programming and PHP.
> I may be a "dickhead", but not "egomaniacal". There are many better PHP
> gurus on this list than I, and I know it. Unfortunately, many of them
> are ignoring your posts entirely.  At present my social life is actually
> overwhelming my ability to devote time to PHP coding, however if you'd
> like to send pictures I'll give them a look see.
> I can understand your frustration and can tell that you're very
> stressed, so I will attempt to not be an "asshole" nor a "dickhead", but
> please show a little more devotion to learning and helping yourself.

I have to agree with Shawn on most everything. I'm one of those people
who've chosen not to pay attention to your posts. The masses of code you
post are nearly indecipherable, and you seem to be constantly tripped up
by syntax errors, etc.

PJ blew it with me in the same way. PJ, too, is not a professional
coder. And like you, he seems to be unwilling to buckle down and study
the language, preferring instead to come to experts here to get free
tutoring. But at some point, the patience of people on this list runs
out, and rather than excoriating you, they simply stop helping you.

My point here is not to insult you or denigrate your abilities. You may
be a very nice person, and quite talented at doing the things you're
trained to do. But programming in PHP is apparently not one of them. And
if you're going to be doing this for a living, then you're going to have
to either stop doing this for a living, or actually study the subject.
Because sooner or later, no one here will listen, no matter how nice you
are, and no matter how well you do the other parts of your job.


Paul M. Foster

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