but what Im asking is that the reality?

go and talk to accountant and tell them after spending soansomuch for the
new site hes has to buy a new server ! what will acountant say, what u

another more important point is in reality u take a project on on a specific
hardware base. lets say it a pretty new server fast a mercedes 500 but not a
ferrari V1.
because of ur great reusable code u do an extra ordinary competitive price
bacause u are ready made that fast, u put it on the server and ? womm
because of thausand of includes and stuff the customer is not happy with the
what u think who is going to pay the new hardware? or better who is going to
cut down the code.

well its me, because as senior consultant i'm taking over the projects from
young programmers who went out of business because the postulations of the
closed contract put them bankrupt.

THATS THE REALITY so guys tell me on a design pattern frame work what
requirements the server should fullfill that I can astimate if the customers
situation will not put me out of business?

"Robert Cummings" <rob...@interjinn.com> wrote in message
> Ralph Deffke wrote:
> > funny then that I see here serious people discussing the benefit of
> > shortening code and cutting out commends.
> >
> > maby thats a general problem of our society that everybody think higher
> > cheaper faster. this will have a limit guys !!! u can not go smaler then
> > atom.
> >
> > funny as well that I make my main money in optimizing code to speed and
> > server resources. Im one of the old guys who can do both hardware and
> > software and I'm telling u this is suspect to me. I still can build a
> > computer from board and powersupply upward.
> >
> > looks like that u joung guys got a little dream implementet by ur profs.
> > u know that the industry is complaining that the engeneers coming from
> > universities are useless for business? a big complain! the real world is
> > different. Hosting companies will always try to keep a server machine as
> > long as they can, because a paid server DOES MAKE MONEY. so where is
> > the cheap and fast server. how many servers out there still running on
> > have u thouhgt about?
> >
> > again, design pattern make sence, but on a companies policy base or on a
> > medium upwards sized project. but there will be more languages be
> > in one company it would be much better to use a language independent
> >
> > again this is chasing mice with an elephant
> Except for incompetent algorithms, it is almost always cheaper to throw
> money at a new server than to have a coder micro optimize his/her code.
> Similarly, it is usually cheaper to throw more hardware at a well
> programmed solution that uses modern programming concepts than to have a
> programmer use the most rudimentary of programming techniques to save on
> cycles.
> With respect to why you see "shortening of code and cutting out
> comments", perhaps you are referring to the recent Calendar thread,
> where a bunch of us were just having some good old optimization fun. I
> for one enjoy the occasional diversion of optimizing some code just for
> the sake of optimizing it. Sometimes even, the optimization is even the
> cleanest/most readable solution.
> Cheers,
> Rob.
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